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no doubt chris that it comes in handy at times and you still have to check your color (like you stated). But when you need to call your jobber in for GM black, Something is wrong.
[quote=”gtome” post=30045]Yes have the alternate decks too. I just didnt have the time to jack with it or do any sprayout cards at the time. I basically started a month behind on work, and have had to just burn these out. On top of that, as you can see, I really dont know what im doing with the collision repair. I was hired in to do the restorations, then the painter quit. So im in there trying to make something of it. Like I have said before, they did hire another guy, and he will likely be doing most of the collision stuff, but the boss man wants me to learn it as well. SO here I am trying to learn how things SHOULD be done before someone else shows me how “they do it”.[/quote]
We are trying to tell you how things should be done, but you argue and choose to do it the way you want anyway. Now is the time to start getting into the habits of doing it right. Even though you are busy, it takes longer to do it over than it does to do it right. If you have alternate decks, there is no reason not to pull them and check the color. It takes 5 minutes to do. It is easier to learn good habits than it is to break bad ones
we no longer have the spray out decks like i did with BASF. They would certainly be nice to have, but so far i havent missed them as much as i thought i would. Maybe talk to me in a few months after getting some bad colors, but since the first week of having chromax pro we havent had many issues with colors. i did find the sprayout decks with basf tough to gauge accurately (size of them) and anytime a color was questionable we’d do a sprayout on a larger card anyway. If i had the sprayout cards id definately use them, using the spectro takes no time at all though. I think the new one identifying the flake size will be a huge advantage, the vindicator attempts to do that and if it gets it wrong id imagine many color problems in duponts line are because of that.
I can understand how other systems work with colormatch,but using a camera for a color doc tool might be a good way to compensate for a system with a poor variant deck system.Most times a camera will find a formula in its library that will give you a blendable match(if your lucky)We have had good luck with the camera doing an auto formula for solid colors but metallics doesn’t work very well.I did have one tech guy work with us at the shop for a couple days and his knowledge was amazing.He was able to take a camera shot of a color,then do a sprayout of the formula,then take another camera shot of the sprayout.What this did was let the camera compare the formula to the actual result and make any adjustments to make it perfect.Very time consuming yes but the results were impressive.I’m still not sure how he did it :blink:
You need to check the color when the vehicle comes in the door,not in the booth when its maksed up ready to go :deadhorse this is the best time saving habit to get into.
How are going to learn to do it properly if nobody shows you??Why isn’t mr.guru showing you??I’ve been using DuPont for over a year now and haven’t had much problem with color, the camera we have is the older ma90 I believe. I use the camera as a tool, I always use the vindicator system and use the chip deck to double check. When in te booth I always make a spray out card of every color I shoot and catalog them in recipe boxes. After a year of doing that I have built up quite a collection and now, if something come in the door that is a unfamiliar color I will pre mix and do spray outs before its in the booth. I believe we are getting the new aquire camera soon. My only real complaint with the DuPont basecoat are it’s difficult to sand and how dirty the tinters seem to be especially the pearls and blacks,. Now I always mix my colors in a mixing cup and then strain it into the pps cups, I don’t trust just using the filter in the pps cup cause as it pressurizes I find it pulls crap threw the filter, I also have been trying out putting the mixed paint in the pps cup onto the shaker for like 20 seconds. Another painter gave me this tip so I’ve just started trying it
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How are going to learn to do it properly if nobody shows you??Why isn’t mr.guru showing you??[/quote]Maybe mr guru is one of those that doesn’t want to show the new guy all of his tricks in case he gets just as good….
Could be Andy or he is dismissing good advice…… :unsure:
Im not real sure guys. My boss told me the guy was the best painter he had ever seen. So did the guys down at the jobbers, and a few other guys too. So far I dont see it. What I can see, is that the guy gets things done….and for lack of a better word…right the first time. What I also see is the guy is old school. For instance, I pulled a BMW rear bumper off and it was about 4:30 when I got it off. He had it ground down and repaired with filler, and final sanded before he left at 5. He simply is unreal with bodywork. Never seen it done so fast and so well. But the actual paint seems no more than average to me. And I dont think he knows how to use any components made in the last 10 years. He did the blend on that white truck today and didnt even use any sort of blender. On the color or the clear…. and it is undetectable. But unfortunately, it seems that I am becoming more of his bitch than he is teaching me. So I dont know how long this is going to last. I told him I would do the blend because he was busy with something else, but he made it seem like it was a majic trick to get it right. I dont claim to know much, but I am not new at this. Ive been painting a while. Just never did much collision work. We will see how it plays out.
The bosses will love this guy cause he makes them more money if he really hustles. If he sees you as copetition he likely won’t teach you anything. I guess you guys are hourly if you don’t see repair times. If he blended the clear without a blending solvent he found a bodyline to tape off. You can roll the tape off some lines. Maybe he used a spray bomb blender.
Oh yeah! The boss loves him. I should have mentioed, as much as I have heard is is good, I have also heard he is a huge asshole. I can see where they say that, but he hasnt been that way to me….yet.
And also I taped the truck off and I know he didnt blend into a bodyline!?? And no aresol blender. He said he was just going to carefully polish it away from where he sprayed and it would be fine. Which it was? Dont ask me how.
And yes, we are hourly. We do restos, and collision work all mixed together. I would like to be able to look and see what kind of times they were supposed to be done in. Although the boss doesnt seem concerned at all with it.
[quote=”gtome” post=30082]And also I taped the truck off and I know he didnt blend into a bodyline!?? And no aresol blender. He said he was just going to carefully polish it away from where he sprayed and it would be fine. Which it was? Dont ask me how.
[/quote]It depends on the clear, and of course the guy putting it on, but it is certainly possible to fade the clear out that way. For the sake of the extra few seconds it takes to blend it out though, with the easier and less risky polishing that would result, I know which method I’m sticking with 😉
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