Am I asking too much?
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Have you tried adding any anti-silicon in the clear (fish eye eliminator), It does not look like solvent pop at all. Looks like fish eyes here and there. They usually work themselves out as long as you are doing all the right things. Making sure there are no conaminates in the air, in the booth, or getting on the car while it is getting prepped. Keep your mind on eliminating possibilities and the should go away. Touching them up and rubbing is what I have always done, its better to fill them,and sand and buff. Try the anti silicon.It works by bridging over the fish eye… 😉 my 2 cents
[b]Nexson wrote:[/b]
[quote]I only shot it once and I shot it conservative on a small part, can you get on the clear without running it?[/quote]Yeah, just put your first coat on wet but not heavy wet, make sure its not dry or rough. You can wait 30 seconds to a minute or you can just put the next coat on right after the first. This will be the final coat so put it on like you want it to look. It will take some practice getting to know how heavy to spray the 1st and 2nd coats. I always use wet on wet. It saves time and your first coat of clear is not setting open for contaminates to get between the two.
I wouldnt start using fisheye eliminator yet. That is your last resort.
dang, so you don’t even have a flash time on that? and no solvent pop?
Nope, no flash! You wont get pop in an air dry situation with it. If you clear over base that hasnt flashed fully, you can get some die back or maybe some sovlent pop. You will be fine with the wet on wet. 😉
man that makes nervous! weird to have no flash time.
[b]Nexson wrote:[/b]
[quote]man that makes nervous! weird to have no flash time.[/quote]In the nine years that I have been a production painter, I dont think I have once let my first coat of clear flash. I only use the wet on wet method. :silly:
see im still learning, i thought wet on wet just meant two wet coats no matter the flash time
[b]Nexson wrote:[/b]
[quote]see im still learning, i thought wet on wet just meant two wet coats no matter the flash time[/quote]Nope, its two coats back to back one right after the other. With the FC710 and med. activator and you being in Florida, I doubt you will have trouble running it w.o.w. Just put the first coat on a little lighter than you would if you were going to let it flash. Then put the second one on about the same as the first coat. Give it a try, if if doesent work just keep doing what you always do. It looks like you have good luck doing what you do, but w.o.w could maybe elimanate the fisheye like craters you are getting.
I would say that if you wet on wet your clear and you still get the craters, its coming from the gun or air source.
bondo and I were talking last night about what you had to say and I am going to take it and adjust it to my type of work. Obviously you paint panels which makes sense with the 30 second flash time because the clear becomes tacky by the time your done with your first pass. With myself I do a couple passes and my panel is done, so a longer flash time of three to five minutes or until tacky is more desirable.
One interesting thing that bondo told me in reference to your post, was to do a light to med 1st coat and not put the first coat on too wet. He mentioned that fisheyes are more likely to show up in a first wet coat. I am going to give that a try and let my second coat be my glory coat
Will report back!
Hope you get to the bottom of this Nex! I think youre going about it the right way. Just give it some time and maybe swiching to the FC710 will fix it too! Ya never know :wak
Still getting them (just sprayed), air dryer gets here wednesday, I am wasting my time if I spray in between then.
You are doing the right things to figure this out,Is the compressor air free of oil? you have a persistant fish eye problem, why the big deal about anti silicon, beats filling them in and sanding them out. Just watch how you apply the clear. It has saved me from a redo from time to time. I been spraying over 25 yrs. Sometimes you just need to get the job done right and if fish eyes appear, a little eliminator has never screwed me up yet. your not ignoring your problem, just keeping production moving. Its not my last resort, its just another tool that is there for me to use when those darn things appear.
I want to fix the problem instead of putting a band-aid over it. I am sure i could use fisheye elminator and be fine, but I would have to use fisheye elminator on every single one of my jobs because the problem will keep happening.
At any rate, I am adding onto the system and I have high hopes now.
I did not mean to use it forever, just till you got your problem solved. I know what its like to keep painting under any and all conditions.Its frustrating and the jobs still have to be right. Sorry, I guess I was not clear. Good Luck, Nexson
I am very tempted to at least try some fisheye elminator. If after I add this 2 stage dryer to my dessicant and still get craters, I am going to go crazy.
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