Any other paint company having issues like PPG?
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Been using Envirobase since they introduced it to Northern California (08/09) and my main concern has been the lack of coverage in their red metallic/pearl paint jobs. It is literally taking 5-6 coats to cover and a drop coat or two after that. Solid yellows have been an issue as well. Anybody? I’ve literally had it with this issue. And this week I have two Ford RR colors come through my production line and its been hell 👿
With most lines I’ve used proving you use the correct value undercoat it covers in 2-3, if you don’t then it could be 5-6. Ford RR is an odd color, I know a few manufacturers have had to come out with a specialty toner for the mid-coat to match it correctly. I did just spray it in BASF last week & it was about 2 1/2-3 coats over the proper groundcoat/primer, then 2 coats of mid. Interestingly I had someone in an Axalta shop tell me they used Toyota 3R1 (2-stage) in place of RR and was able to blend it out, I don’t know that I’d recommend it but any information at 5 on a Friday is worth knowing.
[quote=”M3M” post=34429]Been using Envirobase since they introduced it to Northern California (08/09) and my main concern has been the lack of coverage in their red metallic/pearl paint jobs. It is literally taking 5-6 coats to cover and a drop coat or two after that. Solid yellows have been an issue as well. Anybody? I’ve literally had it with this issue. And this week I have two Ford RR colors come through my production line and its been hell :evil:[/quote]
I have done Code RR a few times in Aquabase (same paint as Enviro) Honestly 2 coats of ground coat and I had coverage, 2.5 coats of midcoat for the Ford fiestas and the F-Series I did took 5 coats of mid coat, IMO I don’t think that is out of the ordinary. I have heard a few guys complain about RR but honestly it was a great match for us and I know that all the PPG shops around my area are not having any issues but I am on the east coast of Canada.
2.5 coats is the normal for 90% of the metallic colours I am seeing and 2 for solids. Sure there are a few codes that may take an extra coat but what system doesn’t? My advice to you would be to contact your local rep and get him to drop by and help you iron out any issues.
I have done RR about a dozen times since last summer and each one has been different(trucks,edge’s,and the lincolns) I usually give it a coat of straight red oxide toner(sikkens AW 360) before I do my foundation coat,this saves time and gets the color closer.It only takes me 1-2.5 coats of foundation then 2 coats of mid coat then clear.The trick with tri-stages is staggering your blends so you don’t end up with a big dark line of pearl where you stop blending.You can even get away with a variant that is a little off.
For yellows that don’t cover start with white sealer or a ground coat of white,the extra 5 mins will save you 30 mins of booth time trying to get coverage.
Before a rep was kind enough to give me some field formulas I have used ford RZ a couple of times with great success.The standard variant isnt even close,and I have heard every manufacturer is having problems with this one,so if your not good on ya.I use cromax pro and I can’t even mix that color and my jobber has to mix it with spies cause u have to have a special toner but even with spies it still takes me 4 to 5 coats and yellows if u do t have a yellow sealer might as well mix up a lot if paint cause it don’t cover at all so say no to cromax pro ha ha
Thank you for all the replies fellas. I do use the groundcoats that are recommended by PPG. If it tells me to use G5 I use it. Or G6 and so on. I do miss the yellow and red sealers right about now. Cannot use them now because of compliance issues.
On another note the paint distributor ran out of the tinted clear for the paint code RR since a third job came in, so the front office bit the bullet and called in a Cromax rep. I was surprised as to how well it covered with one coat of base and another drop coat over that. We sprayed a test panel and determined that one coat of tinted clear was all that was necessary and the job was done after two coats of clear. Overall pretty happy with the cromax experiment. I do not know if the front office broke any contract issues with PPG but given that no one could supply us with more of the tinted clear they felt they had no choice and the car had to leave today. Yet the owner probably will not pick up until Friday since customer never picked car up today but thats another issue haha
Glad you liked the Cromax Pro… RR does match pretty well…
[quote=”P8ntstick” post=34465]Glad you liked the Cromax Pro… RR does match pretty well…[/quote]
It was just one time, but yes I enjoyed only painting a red panel in less than 40 min. I have not tried to blend any Cromax…yet lol. I heard blending is a little different but nothing I can get the hang of.
On a different subject, I have browsed through here and have not found any sections related to certain manufactures only. Like PPG, Axalta, BASF and so on. Figured it would help keep tips, tricks, and advice to its own paint line. Just a thought
I use PPG Enviobase in the UK and if you have the same touch screen computer it will tell you what colour primer to put on eg. G5 but in general reds or yellows including metallics will require a few more coats in most paint systems. Hope this helps
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