Base coat gun recommendations
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Xchaser – I used the WBX for years as a base gun and found it very good. A product change saw me starting to struggle with it though so I swapped it for an older NR200 hvlp which made life much easier.
So yes, a great base gun in my experience but I’d suggest a demo with your particular brand of base first 🙂
I thought you were looking at the new set up though, the bellaria? Looks like they’ve combined the robustness of the classic W400 with the thinner, flatter spray pattern of the supernova. Should be a winner in my eyes but I’d have to try one first.
i believe the wbx has a few aircap options ,at Aston the sprayers prefer the gold cap variant for clear although the choice of clear gun is up to the sprayer as Aston only stipulate the GTI Pro for base
essentaily the WBX is no different to most guns in respect that technicaly they can all be used for base or clear ,how well they do either is another matter entirely lol
on the subject of the Ballaria from what i gather from Iwata themselves is the it is indeed a more economical option to the Supernova ,less fussy to set up and cheaper to service
also from what i am hearing the Devilbiss prolite is has hit Iwata sales [and probably other marques] so they may well be pushing the Ballaria over the Supernova in order to compete in a lower price bracket especialy as many shps and sprayers will buy with price in mind
With the bellaria there hasn’t been any feedback from actual users out there so I didn’t particularly want to take the risk. Was on you tube last night watching chip foose paint a Chrysler which they were giving away in a raffle at the sema show. The interesting thing was he was using a weird looking gun to apply the silver base I think it was a Isaac 7 gun. Then another guy cleared the car for him and used an iwata lph 400 with the lvx cap. I was thinking because I have a lph 400 myself with silver cap good for clearing not so good for base maybe I could just purchase the lvx air cap for base. Do you think that would work?
i have a couple of issacs and a 900i suction pressurised version ,they are true HVLP turbine guns and will also run off a compressor ,astonishing transfer rates and an extemly soft pattern ,i have completly primed a car in an unextracted non booth situation and there was virtualy no overspray ,they primer had to be overthinned though as the true HVlP caps dont like thicker material ,i suspect they would be ideal for flake jobs though but i can imagine Foose was conserving base as well as getting a good aplication from the Issac
another interesting and unusual gun is the DUX HVLP ,useing formula one laminar airflow technoligy it claimes up to 40% higher transfer rates than most other HVLP guns
on a note the Issac was made by Accuspray USA however since being bought out by 3M it is now made in Mexico and the spares situation has become very unreliable ,they are often used for SMART aplications with thier special bellhousing technoligy aircap which is supposed to envelope the spray pattern and eliminate halo effects
Are the isaac guns still available to buy? Are they worth it
i believe they are still available,i believe TCP global still list them and few other dealers in the states ,they mainly stopped listing spares and could not give any guarantees as to availablity of them
i like them however all three of mine where purchased extremly cheaply off ebay lol but untill 3M resolve the spares issue you may not wish to invest in them ,on that note it has been a while since i chased up any spares so maybe it isnt the issue it once was
Accuspray guns always came with many many different aircap specifications from full blown HVLP to low CFM consumtion ,some where designed for HS clears etc some for lower viscosity materail so beware of what set up you choose and do your homework first
are they worth it ,well Chip Foose seemed to think so from what you say lol
one thing i realy like about Accuspray guns is the extremly soft trigger pull
What set ups do you have on your isaac guns? From the video of chip foose using it, it appears to have a red aircap if that means anything? :blink:
i have all the restricted bellhousing caps for the 0.9 set ups a 308 cap for lower cfm spraying with a wider paatern i use that also for the 1.5 set p ,i also have a full blown hvlp delrin cap for the 1.5 ,without digging it out i cant recale the actual number asigned to it
if memory serves then Foose could be useing a 705 or 706 cap,if his issac is the HS model it could well be a 726 which is red and for high solids the HS guns are silver where the stock issac 7 is black
as i say Accuspray have an aray of caps inc low CFM caps and ones designed for higher viscosity aplication ,often they also vary depending on the tip size hence why they produce so many caps
[quote=”JackMarshall” post=29280][quote=”rikka23″ post=29261][quote=”JackMarshall” post=29260]Yep, I use a Devilbiss Gti Pro 1.3/1.4 for base with a T1 aircap and its spot on.
Not sure if the aircaps are named different in different countries.[/quote]
If I remember rightly the t2 is for the fast flow which lays the material down with a ( original) finish lol and the t1 give a nice show room glass finish.if you use them for clear like I do, I’ve never used the t1 for color which is interesting as I use iwata w400 for color wonder how they would compare :lol1[/quote]
T2 is fast flow for gloss/clears T1 is suited to solvent basecoat. I have tried the T1 for clear and it does not work well.
T110 is the latest aircap for the standard gti for HS clears and glosses which is superb.[/quote]
I tried the T110 with DeBeer WB the other day, prefer it to the H1 cap my GTi pro came with.
[quote=”ARTSPRAY” post=29313]i have all the restricted bellhousing caps for the 0.9 set ups a 308 cap for lower cfm spraying with a wider paatern i use that also for the 1.5 set p ,i also have a full blown hvlp delrin cap for the 1.5 ,without digging it out i cant recale the actual number asigned to it
if memory serves then Foose could be useing a 705 or 706 cap,if his issac is the HS model it could well be a 726 which is red and for high solids the HS guns are silver where the stock issac 7 is black
as i say Accuspray have an aray of caps inc low CFM caps and ones designed for higher viscosity aplication ,often they also vary depending on the tip size hence why they produce so many caps[/quote]
He was using a silver version if that means anything. Paul have you had any troubles with the seals in your walcom guns?
then he has the HS version ,the older 7 is black bodied ,ide say the aircap he has fitted is the 726
no not had any real issues with Walcom seals other than one i purchased used had a worn air micrometer seal ,as i had spares which Walcom throw in with new guns i used those to repair the used one ,however Sata air micrometers are identical and so Sata seals fit Walcom and vise verse ,also Asturo guns use the same seals pots and most set ups ect,,
personaly i dont like stripping my guns down i just flush so i tend not to wear out seals
also on a good note set ups are at least half the price of Sata and other spares ,plus as ii said when you buuy a walcom gun you get a complete rebuild kit thrown in anyway
Do you reckon a fx geo nozzle set would work in there fx hvlp model? There is a place here in Australia that also has the fx ha 1.2 setups available.
i would hazard a guess it would ,i have just sold a ha set to a mate with geo and that has worked for him ,i will be doing the same with my geo as i have few ha set ups knocking around
[quote=”ARTSPRAY” post=29334]i would hazard a guess it would ,i have just sold a ha set to a mate with geo and that has worked for him ,i will be doing the same with my geo as i have few ha set ups knocking around[/quote]
Would you pay $160 for a fx ha setup? Seems a little steep to me.
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