BASF Onyx as a low VOC solvent
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My jobber informs me there is a low VOC solvent version of Onyx that was just released.
Supposedly going to revolutionize the paint industry.
Fast dry times, easy to nib, superior colormatch, etc.
Anybody have any intel on this product?Yes it in the works. Apparently it sprays just like diamont which was a great paint line. It uses the existing toners with different reducers which will keep the color match in line and I guess you could use onyx as either water or solvent. They are working on the solvent as it drys a bit to fast but I’m informed they should have a solution soon. Test shops are said to really like it, I’ll hopefully have my hands on some soon and I’ll get a video up.
I heard about this a few months ago. My boss got quite excited about the idea of it…if everything pans out we will probably demo some once its available and possibly eventually switch to it when our current contract is up.
This could be a game changer for Basf, I kida seen it coming to, It will be interesting to see if any of the other big names follow. Even though everybody raves about how much they like waterborne I bet with a good low voc solvent system there would be alot of people change back, I have been using waterborne for about 7 years now and can clearly see a adhesion problem that has been kept quiet from the big paint names. I cant wait to here some feedback about this product. Basf really had to do something there hybrid system was to slow for production IMO.
I am also interested to hear feedback on how good it works.Drying to fast, very difficult to blend have been common complaints with low voc solvent systems.Would be cool if they get it figured out.
[quote=”jim” post=32614]This could be a game changer for Basf, I kida seen it coming to, It will be interesting to see if any of the other big names follow. Even though everybody raves about how much they like waterborne I bet with a good low voc solvent system there would be alot of people change back, I have been using waterborne for about 7 years now and can clearly see a adhesion problem that has been kept quiet from the big paint names. I cant wait to here some feedback about this product. Basf really had to do something there hybrid system was to slow for production IMO.[/quote]
What Waterborne paint are you using?
The adhesion problems I am talking about are coming from all the paint companies, Are shop has been lucky and only seen a handfull, I use standoblue. If you have a stone chip on your bumper you best not get to close with the presure washer, and thats any water borne paint IMO
Adhesion problems come from the base not flashing enough before clear and the painter rushing to get the clear on,also common with solvent base.A pressure washer on ANY rock chip will peel whatever the product…..
I believe hardner in the base helps with adhesion also.
I have been spraying Onyx waterborne for 4 years and have not noticed any adhesion or creeping problems.
So far.[quote=”jim” post=32632]The adhesion problems I am talking about are coming from all the paint companies, Are shop has been lucky and only seen a handfull, I use standoblue. If you have a stone chip on your bumper you best not get to close with the presure washer, and thats any water borne paint IMO[/quote]
Im willing to bet its user error, like Jay said jumping on the base too soon with clear. No adhesion problems here…
of course i dont do the production thing and i dont personally know anything about the waterborne bases other than to airbrush with it but i do talk to alot of painters from many different shops in the area and can say that atleast here where the humidity is 90+% all summer long, every shop that has switched over has had the system removed no matter what brand because it just doesnt work. the one shop had a high end global booth put in with all the blowers and they said it would just be wet forever. that shop was using autowave which i have only heard good things about from most of you guys on here. from what i gather the water systems are probably fine in some areas and not others. really boils down to the climate you are in. i have hard about the low voc solvent onyx. can wait to hear your guys reviews on that in the future.
It will be here soon. Turns out I’m already signed up for the first training class/demo. I believe that will be in about a month. Appearantly they solved the fast drying issues and gave it slowed down better.
[quote=”Ben” post=32686]It will be here soon. Turns out I’m already signed up for the first training class/demo. I believe that will be in about a month. Appearantly they solved the fast drying issues and gave it slowed down better.[/quote]
The Sherwin not cutting it for ya Ben??? LOL
[quote=”smooth” post=32687][quote=”Ben” post=32686]It will be here soon. Turns out I’m already signed up for the first training class/demo. I believe that will be in about a month. Appearantly they solved the fast drying issues and gave it slowed down better.[/quote]
The Sherwin not cutting it for ya Ben??? LOL[/quote]
It’s not too bad, a few quirks and such. My boss is a big RM/Glasurit fan, and the service from the BASF distributor is far better than SW. And service sells…
[quote=”Ben” post=32692][quote=”smooth” post=32687][quote=”Ben” post=32686]It will be here soon. Turns out I’m already signed up for the first training class/demo. I believe that will be in about a month. Appearantly they solved the fast drying issues and gave it slowed down better.[/quote]
The Sherwin not cutting it for ya Ben??? LOL[/quote]
It’s not too bad, a few quirks and such. My boss is a big RM/Glasurit fan, and the service from the BASF distributor is far better than SW. And service sells…[/quote]
Plus you get to deal with John Olivier,damn good rep and a gentleman to boot 😉 I am interested in how you make out,please let us know.Just remember Jason from carlson’s was never a rep :rofl :rofl
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