buffing solution
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i dont know if anyone here has ever tried it but i used to use the 3M polishing system that not only costs alot but is complicated, takes lots of time and doesnt really deliver results. every couple months they come out with something new to improve it but to me it just makes it worse. so anyways i swtiched to the DeBeer paint system which absolutely beats PPG’s basecoat system and Sherwin Williams. i also switched to Farecla buffing system. the stuff is fast, and i get the result i expect after just one application of the rubbing compound. they have videos up on youtube that demonstrates it. i recommend it hands down. heres a link to their site
http://www.farecla.com/automotive.html
My shop switched to DeBeer about 8 months ago, and I’ve been pretty impressed with it. We’re using the 900 series (water borne), and apart from a few coverage issues with some colours, I actually prefer it to the PPG/ICI/NEXA Aquabase that I was using before, now that I’ve had a while to get used to it.
Back to your main question though – I’ve mostly moved away from Farecla onto the 3M system as I find it gives higher quality results, even though the speed might be slightly slower. The G3 advanced that you link to is a very good product, and gives a very fast cut, but can be a little messy sometimes. G-Total is a particular favourite of mine, as it’s a completely dry use product which really helps to eliminate splatter. G6 Rapid is another of their products that I’ve used, and is even more aggressive than the ones I mention above, but definitely needs finishing off with a finer compound/polish (like G10).
But neither of those hold a candle to the Meguiars 105 & 205 combo in my eyes, but it’s far too expensive to be used in our shop so I keep it only for personal use.
All in all I haven’t found as big a difference between the two systems as you obviously have, but then different product can be better suited to different styles and different paints (I use the DeBeer 8-214 scratch resistant clearcoat).
i have used the farecla stuff here. if i rememebr right it was the g3. i could not get that stuff to cut worth a crap. i get way faster results with either presta or the new 3m compound. presta is really messy but works really good. i do agree the original perfect it 3 and 3000 were terrible. perfect-it 2 and the new stuff in the purple bottle is really good. its funny how when it comes to buffing everyone always gets different results.
I have tried a few compounds over the years, i was a Farecla G3 diehard for many years.
I tried G4 when it came out ment to be for high solids and well cured paintwork…….. but it was the worst compound ever just seem to glide across the flatting marks, did not want to cut.
I use 3m fastcut plus as far as i am aware it is the latest generation of fast cut i like it not much splatter, cuts real good and the price is okay.
[img]http://www.cartersconsumables.co.uk/images/3M50417%20Fast%20Cut%20plus.JPG[/img]
I use the Farecla Total compound and love it. I finish off with 3M swirl remover and then Ultrafina. Works very good.
I use Presta shop pack system. Works great, decent price too!
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I tried G4 when it came out ment to be for high solids and well cured paintwork…….. but it was the worst compound ever just seem to glide across the flatting marks, did not want to cut.[/quote]
Too right! I was completely unimpressed when I first used G4. I tried it a few times to make sure it wasn’t just me, but ended up tossing it in the bin!That’s the same 3M stuff that we’re on at the minute. Works great with the dedicated green foam pads, but they don’t seem to last very long. For extra cut on the really hard stuff I use it with the systems wool pad. We also have the yellow top (fine) and blue top (ultrafina) with matching pads, but they don’t get used very often as the 50417 seem to finish down very nicely if you work it long enough.
I still use 3M and really like the change they’ve made to there coarse compound, 06085 :
[img]http://www.janecosales.com/images/products/thumb/3m6085.jpg[/img]
It cuts really quick on either foam or wool pads, I’ve never even seen or heard of anyone selling farcela in my area. I’ve tried several other systems but since this compound came out I’ve been really impressed with 3M’s system. Presta I find to be the best for the money out of the systems I’ve used.
I’ve seen Co-Auto here sell Farcela stuff.
really?? I didn’t know that, I’ll have to ask my rep about it on friday and maybe grab a bottle.
i checked my bottle and its the g4 not the 3 so i guess that explains why i did not like it. i see the rest of you didn’t like it either. the newest 3m compound is the one jimmo gave the part # for. its the 3m performance perfect-it rubbing compound. its a reformulation of the perfect-it 3000 compound. its very difficult to keep up with all their changes. it is a really nice compound though. expensive but i use 1/2 of what i use in presta so really comes out to be the same.
I use the 3m perfect it 06085 with a wool pad and it seems to cut preaty well if you hit the clear in its sweet spot. Although, I do think that it has alot of fillers in it because it looks really good until it gets washed and has had some time ro evaporate off. Then you start to see some hazing coming back.
I tried the 3m Trizact system stuff and dont care for it as much as the Meguiars but Being a Tight wad I have a whole lot of 3M stuff to use up before I get more Meguiars stuff maybe in the end I will like it more but for now I’m still a Meguiars fan.
Meguiars M105, M205 and Menzerna Final Polish II.
Very good stuff. The M105/M205 have abrasives that don’t
break down like all the others. And they work great at
low rpms (under 1200). less heat, less splatter, less swirls…i have heard alot of good things about the 105. i might have to try it out and compare.
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