Clearcoats – Max Meyer, Pro-Spray, Kapci
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Now that the weather is picking up I’m going to get going on some projects again. I’ve only sprayed 1k clear before and now looking to use 2k clear on some wheels for a mate’s show car and some other panels on my own car (weekend car but nothing too special).
I’ve been looking at the following products and am wondering if anybody has any advice which might be best for me to go for.
MayMeyer 0200 clear + 6000 hardener
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[url=https://www.dropbox.com/s/zxhe4ikf7xbbreu/MM6000_SDS.pdf]6000 SDS[/url]Pro-Spray 7000 clear + ICA-801 hardener
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[url=https://www.dropbox.com/s/rk1mp1va3zpxrgg/Kapci651_SDS.pdf]651 SDS[/url]The Pro-Spray datasheet says “hi temp” clear so I’m wondering if it’s good to use in a UK garage? The Kapci is available as a 1 litre kit and is cheap. I’m a low volume hobby sprayer so am a little concerned about a big container of hardener going off too quickly. Maybe I can decant it into smaller tins though.
There is also this product which is creating some interest. It’s a binder that is added instead of hardener, which makes 2k products air drying rather than cross-linked. One guy I spoke to said it seems to lay better and be a little more chemical resistant and tougher, when used with a 2k clear product, than what we can achieve with our usual 1k clear products. What do you think about it? I realise it won’t beat 2k, but is it really better than the usual 1k stuff because we can use a better clear from a 2k line rather than a cheap 1k clear?
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[url=https://www.dropbox.com/s/7io5ublf8r5r3wi/UD429_SDS.pdf]UD429 SDS[/url]AndyT maybe you can get a tin to try as it’s a Valspar product?
Those are all pretty slow clears for doing side projects at home. How big are most of these jobs, do you have a booth? If you don’t have a booth and most of your jobs are pretty small (1-3 panels) I would use something faster. What basecoat are you using? PPG has a really fast clear (DC2000) that is great for doing smaller projects without a booth. They also have DC3000 which is slower then 2000, but a nicer clear. It’s still pretty fast and works good with out a booth- with a slower hardener you can get by with doing up to 4-5 panels with it, although I prefer 4000 for anything over 3.
Here are the TDS for the two products:
DC2000 http://www.benspaintsupply.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/P-246-DC2000-Ultra-Velocity-Clear.pdf
DC3000 http://www.autopaintplus.net/app/PPG/TECH%20DATA%20SHEETS/DC3000.pdf
These are both reasonably priced for premium clears, they have good gloss retention and UV protection.
Also, if you don’t mind my asking, why on earth are you using 1k clears? Is it because of VOCs? You will get way better results and much better durability from a 2K clear. There are plenty out there that are fast enough to use with out a booth or force drying.
Thanks for your reply. It’s extremely rare that I’ll do a full paint, mostly panels. I also design, build and paint high end loudspeaker cabinets. I thought the speed of the clear was down to the hardener? And to an extent the thinners. I thought faster products were not as good in terms of durability, gloss, lifetime etc. I’m not a colission shop working to a time schedule, I’m preferring to lean towards quality.
I’m using solvent basecoat.
I don’t have a booth, just a garage with good sealing and insulation and dehumidifier. It’s quite common over here in England to spray 1k products as 2k is mandated to use an air fed mask, which not a lot of people have. The sizes of compressors you guys have in your garages is unbelievable! They are so cheap over there.
It’s good that you mention about UV protection and gloss retention. These are factors I’m interested in.
Fast hardners are reducers can speed up a slow clear a little, but the dry time will still be slow. They more effect the wet edge of the paint, which is why slower is better for bigger jobs. As far as dry times go if you want fast, you need a faster clear. They arnt quiet as nice as the slower ones, but still can produce real nice results. We have one at work that is ready do polish in 45 mins air dry. It has good UV protection and gloss, I just wouldn’t use it for more then a single panel at a time. It’s a Nexa clear, so should be available in Europe
Here is the TDS for it. (6800 Clear). http://www.nedsautobodysupply.com/P190-6800__RM2853C-5__12_11.pdf
For the type of jobs you do this would probably work great.
hi where are you based?
I’m in Gloucester.
MaxMeyer 0200 and 0300 are definitly one of the best flow clears ever.. 🙂 Super glossy and super easy to spray..
That being said my last job was done with 0300
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