Colour match and Sherwin?
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I was considering Sherwin Williams for our shop, anyone have modern day experience with their formulas and how well it colour matches. For reference, I’m using Sikkens.
I’ve heard in the old days Sherwins was a step or two behind but how about now?
You will need to talk to bondomerchant he loves the stuff, He says the greatest things of SW :exci
I have had a series of horror stories with ‘martin manure’ (same as SW)
the 2 colors I have blended were both mediocre.
bobwires…did you spray tec/base or crossfire?
I’ve sprayed both, and the urethane SS. urethane was great, crossfire is diarrhea, tec base seems fine, and the tec clear is so-so.
mind you, I’m not a pro painter.
bondo should be able to chime in on this. I have only use their line once, and it was black, so thats not saying much.
[quote=”bobwires” post=19066]I’ve sprayed both, and the urethane SS. urethane was great, crossfire is diarrhea, tec base seems fine, and the tec clear is so-so.
mind you, I’m not a pro painter.[/quote]
I agree that Crossfire is crap. Have a buddy that sprays tec base and says it’s decent. Not sure about the clear though.
it seems like they are actually a step ahead now based on their air bake clear, spreadable primer, etc. i used the ultra base for a few jobs and it covered pretty well but maybe after 4-5 coats. :chair besides that the price is ridiculously high for it.
[quote=”MoCoke” post=19070]it seems like they are actually a step ahead now based on their air bake clear, spreadable primer, etc. i used the ultra base for a few jobs and it covered pretty well but maybe after 4-5 coats. :chair besides that the price is ridiculously high for it.[/quote]
I’ve used some Ultra 7000 and a little of the waterborne. SW has a few really good things…the clear is fast, most products have flex additive already in it etc…but overall, I agree with MoCoke, it is overpriced for what it is.
You are currently with Sikkens? WHat don’t you like about it? Up here (where basically everyone is using waterborne)Sikkens is considered one of the best systems.
I used sherwin for about 10 years before switching jobs. (I spray Sikkens now) Sherwin has some really great products. I sure miss using it. The primer is hands down superior to sikkens and the clears are smoking fast compaired to sikkens also. I had a few colors that were a real bear to match but for the most part its good. I have found that its no different than sikkens as far as color goes. Sikkens does cover a little better and flashes faster. I like sherwins formula express mixing program WAY better than sikkens mixit system. After spraying sikkens for the last three months, I have gotten use to it but if I had the choice to go back to sherwin I would. I feel that they have made a lot of big changes in the last few years. Both are good products…there are just going to be trade offs with any brand.
Get some heat in your booth and then tell me that ACIII with XP hardener and rapid activator is slow :rofl :rofl Are you using spot and panel activator in your primer?Maybe I have been using Sikkens for too long but I seriously doubt SW has better colormatch IMO :kofee
Well Jayson, heat makeup is on the way for the booth and I think we will be going back to ACIII. I will take your word for it. Yes I use the spot activator and its still not as fast as sherwin. Trust me, I would not say colorbuild is slower if it were not true. I do like a lot of things about sikkens but the primer is just not one of them. As for the color match…I never said sherwin was better, I just said that so far it seems about the same. Im sure there are going to be colors from both lines that suck and some that are spot on. Believe me, I fought more than a few colors with sherwin but most are blendable. One thing I will say about sikkens is that I love how the base sprays and flashes. I also like the sealer better than sherwin.;)
[quote=”Ben” post=19071][quote=”MoCoke” post=19070]it seems like they are actually a step ahead now based on their air bake clear, spreadable primer, etc. i used the ultra base for a few jobs and it covered pretty well but maybe after 4-5 coats. :chair besides that the price is ridiculously high for it.[/quote]
I’ve used some Ultra 7000 and a little of the waterborne. SW has a few really good things…the clear is fast, most products have flex additive already in it etc…but overall, I agree with MoCoke, it is overpriced for what it is.
You are currently with Sikkens? WHat don’t you like about it? Up here (where basically everyone is using waterborne)Sikkens is considered one of the best systems.[/quote]
I like Sikkens, and I’m on the west coast of Canada so ditto with the compliant products. It’s good, but unfortunately we are stuck with a crossdraft booth still. It’s pretty tough being productive in the cool weather without an air makeup using waterbourne (especially for 3+ panels). I’ve been with Sikkens for 8 years so I don’t know where it stands relative to the others, except that Sikkens is one of the most expensive paint lines. Glad to hear that it’s considered one of the best waterbase out there (what aspects?)
There is talk of compliant solvent coming in soon with Sherwin (ATX), and I’m pretty curious about it. I’ve tried the compliant Omni, which doesn’t cut it (no chips). A jobber dropped off some Transtar / NoMix to try but I’ve never even heard of them.
Who knows with the industry the way it is, I wouldn’t be surprised if all the brands bring out a compliant solvent line sooner than later. Cash grab.
I loved ACIII with XP and rapid act. I’m using the Lesonal ProAir LV which is even better than Energy Pro250 for our booth.
the transtar no mix is not really made by transtar. its made in australia and i cant remember the paint company off the top of my head. of the people i know who have used the no mix it has gotten good reviews from all but i have not used it myself.
[quote=”gnarly” post=19157][quote=”Ben” post=19071][quote=”MoCoke” post=19070]it seems like they are actually a step ahead now based on their air bake clear, spreadable primer, etc. i used the ultra base for a few jobs and it covered pretty well but maybe after 4-5 coats. :chair besides that the price is ridiculously high for it.[/quote]
I’ve used some Ultra 7000 and a little of the waterborne. SW has a few really good things…the clear is fast, most products have flex additive already in it etc…but overall, I agree with MoCoke, it is overpriced for what it is.
You are currently with Sikkens? WHat don’t you like about it? Up here (where basically everyone is using waterborne)Sikkens is considered one of the best systems.[/quote]
I like Sikkens, and I’m on the west coast of Canada so ditto with the compliant products. It’s good, but unfortunately we are stuck with a crossdraft booth still. It’s pretty tough being productive in the cool weather without an air makeup using waterbourne (especially for 3+ panels). I’ve been with Sikkens for 8 years so I don’t know where it stands relative to the others, except that Sikkens is one of the most expensive paint lines. Glad to hear that it’s considered one of the best waterbase out there (what aspects?)
There is talk of compliant solvent coming in soon with Sherwin (ATX), and I’m pretty curious about it. I’ve tried the compliant Omni, which doesn’t cut it (no chips). A jobber dropped off some Transtar / NoMix to try but I’ve never even heard of them.
Who knows with the industry the way it is, I wouldn’t be surprised if all the brands bring out a compliant solvent line sooner than later. Cash grab.
I loved ACIII with XP and rapid act. I’m using the Lesonal ProAir LV which is even better than Energy Pro250 for our booth.[/quote]
Where on the west coast are you?
There are several low VOC solvent base. Most are lower end products, so colour match likely isn’t the best. I believe Stone is using RM solvent with good success.
The Autowave is fast, easy to use and has good colour matches. The AWX I found to be slower, more transparent, required work to control solvents and colour matches weren’t great (although I am sure they are building their formula library as time goes on).
PPGs enviro base is a very fast base. Possibly the fastest drying base in my opinion. It is very similar to Autowave…
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