Colour match and Sherwin?
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Proair LV and Energy pro 250 are the same clear with a different label 😉 If you use the superior 250 hardener in it it is not a bad clear.
I hate to say it but my supplier started selling the low voc matrix base coat and are having real good luck with it.They have full color documentation and variants and it sprays and blends like the old solvent base(are you listening stone;) I haven’t used it but the rep I talked to today is based in Calgary and he is going to give me some Matrix Euroclear that is low voc to try….so what the heck :kofee[quote=”Jayson M” post=19187]Proair LV and Energy pro 250 are the same clear with a different label 😉 If you use the superior 250 hardener in it it is not a bad clear.
I hate to say it but my supplier started selling the low voc matrix base coat and are having real good luck with it.They have full color documentation and variants and it sprays and blends like the old solvent base(are you listening stone;) I haven’t used it but the rep I talked to today is based in Calgary and he is going to give me some Matrix Euroclear that is low voc to try….so what the heck :kofee[/quote]
Say it aint so jay :huh:
Maybe that transtar aint so bad after allWell probably not ding,that’s how it starts :sick:
Switching from Sikkens to Sherwin Willims would be a huge mistake in my opinion. After using Sikkens ColorScala pro sprayout decks we havn’t had near the time involved in finding an acceptable matching color. With Sherwin Willims it seems like the colors we’ve mixed have been way off from their color chips if they have them at all. As far as Sherwin Willims waterborne paint, you’d be lucky to find one chip in their prospector decks to compare a paint color. Haven’t found one standard sprayout for their awx paint, but they will give you a chip for alts 8,9 and 13?! Sherwin Willims is cheap paint compared to Sikkens, but I hope you like spraying a lot of alts to find your color with SW. Their primer is junk too. It may dry faster, but has nowhere near the film build that Sikkens has. Sherwin Williams recommends spraying primer with a 1.3 tip! No wonder it dries fast, you aren’t putting anything on!
I do really like the SW/MS DTM urethane primer. it’s great all around stuff, but not cheap. it builds reasonably well from a 1.4, when you hose it on like I do. and blocks out pretty easy.
[quote=”Ben” post=19183][quote=”gnarly” post=19157][quote=”Ben” post=19071][quote=”MoCoke” post=19070]it seems like they are actually a step ahead now based on their air bake clear, spreadable primer, etc. i used the ultra base for a few jobs and it covered pretty well but maybe after 4-5 coats. :chair besides that the price is ridiculously high for it.[/quote]
I’ve used some Ultra 7000 and a little of the waterborne. SW has a few really good things…the clear is fast, most products have flex additive already in it etc…but overall, I agree with MoCoke, it is overpriced for what it is.
You are currently with Sikkens? WHat don’t you like about it? Up here (where basically everyone is using waterborne)Sikkens is considered one of the best systems.[/quote]
I like Sikkens, and I’m on the west coast of Canada so ditto with the compliant products. It’s good, but unfortunately we are stuck with a crossdraft booth still. It’s pretty tough being productive in the cool weather without an air makeup using waterbourne (especially for 3+ panels). I’ve been with Sikkens for 8 years so I don’t know where it stands relative to the others, except that Sikkens is one of the most expensive paint lines. Glad to hear that it’s considered one of the best waterbase out there (what aspects?)
There is talk of compliant solvent coming in soon with Sherwin (ATX), and I’m pretty curious about it. I’ve tried the compliant Omni, which doesn’t cut it (no chips). A jobber dropped off some Transtar / NoMix to try but I’ve never even heard of them.
Who knows with the industry the way it is, I wouldn’t be surprised if all the brands bring out a compliant solvent line sooner than later. Cash grab.
I loved ACIII with XP and rapid act. I’m using the Lesonal ProAir LV which is even better than Energy Pro250 for our booth.[/quote]
Where on the west coast are you?
There are several low VOC solvent base. Most are lower end products, so colour match likely isn’t the best. I believe Stone is using RM solvent with good success.
The Autowave is fast, easy to use and has good colour matches. The AWX I found to be slower, more transparent, required work to control solvents and colour matches weren’t great (although I am sure they are building their formula library as time goes on).
PPGs enviro base is a very fast base. Possibly the fastest drying base in my opinion. It is very similar to Autowave…[/quote]
I’m near Vancouver. Thanks for all your inputs about SW, I think I’ll keep our Autowave but I’ll trial SW low VOC solvent. I’ve tried OMNI, it’s pretty hit and miss. Pretty funny though it works pretty well on Toyota 1F7, go figure??? HAHAHA. Pretty tough colour in most brands i’m sure. I got the local PPG rep to take away our old Autobase+ for an OMNI system. Yes some of the matches are horrible.
[quote=”gnarly” post=19347][quote=”Ben” post=19183][quote=”gnarly” post=19157][quote=”Ben” post=19071][quote=”MoCoke” post=19070]it seems like they are actually a step ahead now based on their air bake clear, spreadable primer, etc. i used the ultra base for a few jobs and it covered pretty well but maybe after 4-5 coats. :chair besides that the price is ridiculously high for it.[/quote]
I’ve used some Ultra 7000 and a little of the waterborne. SW has a few really good things…the clear is fast, most products have flex additive already in it etc…but overall, I agree with MoCoke, it is overpriced for what it is.
You are currently with Sikkens? WHat don’t you like about it? Up here (where basically everyone is using waterborne)Sikkens is considered one of the best systems.[/quote]
I like Sikkens, and I’m on the west coast of Canada so ditto with the compliant products. It’s good, but unfortunately we are stuck with a crossdraft booth still. It’s pretty tough being productive in the cool weather without an air makeup using waterbourne (especially for 3+ panels). I’ve been with Sikkens for 8 years so I don’t know where it stands relative to the others, except that Sikkens is one of the most expensive paint lines. Glad to hear that it’s considered one of the best waterbase out there (what aspects?)
There is talk of compliant solvent coming in soon with Sherwin (ATX), and I’m pretty curious about it. I’ve tried the compliant Omni, which doesn’t cut it (no chips). A jobber dropped off some Transtar / NoMix to try but I’ve never even heard of them.
Who knows with the industry the way it is, I wouldn’t be surprised if all the brands bring out a compliant solvent line sooner than later. Cash grab.
I loved ACIII with XP and rapid act. I’m using the Lesonal ProAir LV which is even better than Energy Pro250 for our booth.[/quote]
Where on the west coast are you?
There are several low VOC solvent base. Most are lower end products, so colour match likely isn’t the best. I believe Stone is using RM solvent with good success.
The Autowave is fast, easy to use and has good colour matches. The AWX I found to be slower, more transparent, required work to control solvents and colour matches weren’t great (although I am sure they are building their formula library as time goes on).
PPGs enviro base is a very fast base. Possibly the fastest drying base in my opinion. It is very similar to Autowave…[/quote]
I’m near Vancouver. Thanks for all your inputs about SW, I think I’ll keep our Autowave but I’ll trial SW low VOC solvent. I’ve tried OMNI, it’s pretty hit and miss. Pretty funny though it works pretty well on Toyota 1F7, go figure??? HAHAHA. Pretty tough colour in most brands i’m sure. I got the local PPG rep to take away our old Autobase+ for an OMNI system. Yes some of the matches are horrible.[/quote]
So that’s how to match 1F7… :lol1
Sounds like you made a good choice. Try the SW, and let us know how it works. I’ve seen a few jobs done with it, should be one of the better low VOC solvent base coats from what I understand.If I were you I would look into Matrix Low VOC solvent system,they have variants as well,color match is supposed to be decent.You could also get an airmake up installed on the booth,that would make life easy.
[quote=”Jayson M” post=19350]If I were you I would look into Matrix Low VOC solvent system,they have variants as well,color match is supposed to be decent.You could also get an airmake up installed on the booth,that would make life easy.[/quote]
I will, do they have anyone in Canada? I went to there site and they are all in Quebec for some reason.
I like to keep things simple, but yeah, I’d love a new booth; atleast a semi-down with a air-makeup unit. That’s on the wish list for sure.
I have a rep and warehouse in Calgary that sells it,also in Vancouver.If you like I can make a phone call and find some info for you and I will PM you.As far as the booth goes,just find and air makeup and install it on you r crossflow and convert it to a semi-downdraft,not hard at all and it will be cheaper than a new booth and work just as good 😉
After using Martin Senour for 20 years we switched at the begining of the year to Sikkens autowave and have been very satisfied with the decision. The color matches are better and the system overall is easier to work with. I have a semi downdraft booth that I installed an air make up unit to it prob. 15 years ago. I can maintain 75 degrees when it is 10 below, and I have it designed to recirculate the heated air but no bake cycle. I found the make up unit at a hospital that was being torn down and not being reused.
[quote=”Doghousels” post=19385]After using Martin Senour for 20 years we switched at the begining of the year to Sikkens autowave and have been very satisfied with the decision. The color matches are better and the system overall is easier to work with. I have a semi downdraft booth that I installed an air make up unit to it prob. 15 years ago. I can maintain 75 degrees when it is 10 below, and I have it designed to recirculate the heated air but no bake cycle. I found the make up unit at a hospital that was being torn down and not being reused.[/quote]
do you have 100% of the ‘exhaust’ out of the booth returning in? or by ‘make-up unit’ is that a device that controls how much air is recycled?
or do you put on eyeliner in the booth while the paint flashes? :whistle:
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