Compliant (Low VOC) Solvent Basecoats
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I am just wondering if anyone here has experience with these paints. I know Sherwin Williams has the Dimension line, Dupont is launching one and I think BASF has one in there Limco line. It sounds like there all low end paints and I’d imagine the solvent necessary to use the paints would be crazy fast drying but I’m just assuming. Anybody have input on this? (I’m not planning on making a switch back from water, just more curious).
Every rep I have talked to about this says the same thing. They all blend like shit. The exempt solvents that are slow enough to use are pricier also. I haven’t used one so I can’t say they will I am just repeating what I’ve heard.
I like they way water works personally and highly doubt low VOC solvent will be better or even that good, but I see it having a place. For shops that have poor spraying conditions, dirty environment, inadequate air supply and or too humid of a spraying environment it might be a good fit. Some people can’t or won’t invest the money they need to have a successful conversion to water, in those cases low VOC solvent makes more sense. Plus I can see it being better for custom guys.
To top all that there are a ton of guys who are too bull headed to even try water and dismiss it as not being good, and think water cant be as good as or better than solvent. Low voc solvent base will have a place in their hearts and that is a decent chunk of the body shop market.
I can see why Dupont is coming out with one though. There are some major issues people are having with their water, and this might be the fix.
[quote=”jimmo” post=14600]I am just wondering if anyone here has experience with these paints. I know Sherwin Williams has the Dimension line, Dupont is launching one and I think BASF has one in there Limco line. It sounds like there all low end paints and I’d imagine the solvent necessary to use the paints would be crazy fast drying but I’m just assuming. Anybody have input on this? (I’m not planning on making a switch back from water, just more curious).[/quote]
Dimension and Limco do not blend.
They are strictly overall.
My jobber carries BASF and Matrix.
The Matrix is great.
My other jobber carries Dimension….the speed of drying depends on temp of reducer..(sure you know). I have been spraying more Dimension overall the than any other. It covers fine.
However over the last 2-3 yrs I have been moving to Matrix exclusively. That’s where I will be it looks like for good blends anyway.[quote=”ryanbrown999″ post=14603]
To top all that there are a ton of guys who are too bull headed to even try water and dismiss it as not being good, and think water cant be as good as or better than solvent. Low voc solvent base will have a place in their hearts and that is a decent chunk of the body shop market. [/quote]cough! cough! frank cox! cough! :rofl
[quote=”dcturcotte” post=14608][quote=”ryanbrown999″ post=14603]
To top all that there are a ton of guys who are too bull headed to even try water and dismiss it as not being good, and think water cant be as good as or better than solvent. Low voc solvent base will have a place in their hearts and that is a decent chunk of the body shop market. [/quote]cough! cough! frank cox! cough! :rofl[/quote]
….Poor Frank…..lol
:dncsince i’ve go the hang of useing water, it’s actually made me a better painter with solvent. yes we have both, i have the water. the bodyshop has the solvent.
as for dupont i heard the same thing. way too many problems, and they plan on releaseing a low voc base.
i also agree, it’s not cheap to switch over. i know with ppg, you have to do a 3 part induction program, and this is only after they check over your both, and air supply.
the base alone is 10% more than the solvent. but it only cost me like 50 cents at most to reduce 18 0z. of base.
so yeah i can see how a low voc could counter the price of water. but i don’t know for sure. but it’s my understanding that low voc clear is pretty thick to spray, i wonder if this will be true with the base.
here I was thinking high solids would be thicker and low voc the opposite…. :blink:
[quote=”timbo” post=14631]here I was thinking high solids would be thicker and low voc the opposite…. :blink:[/quote]
Solid content has nothing to do with viscosity. Low voc doesn’t mean high solids either.
[quote=”ryanbrown999″ post=14633][quote=”timbo” post=14631]here I was thinking high solids would be thicker and low voc the opposite…. :blink:[/quote]
Solid content has nothing to do with viscosity. Low voc doesn’t mean high solids either.[/quote]ok, now i’m confused.:huh: :lol1
[quote=”lild” post=14634][quote=”ryanbrown999″ post=14633][quote=”timbo” post=14631]here I was thinking high solids would be thicker and low voc the opposite…. :blink:[/quote]
Solid content has nothing to do with viscosity. Low voc doesn’t mean high solids either.[/quote]ok, now i’m confused.:huh: :lol1[/quote]
viscosity is defined as “resistance to flow” or someting along those lines. So even water can have high viscosity (at low temperatures when it is half frozen slush).
And so the VOC can low, even in liquidy substances such as reducer, water, acetone etc.
To elaborate, viscosity is set by the chemist. You can have a HS clear that flows through a viscosity cup faster than a medium solids. Typically HS clears have a bit higher viscosity but not always. The chemist controls it by feedback during testing. Viscosity has most to do with what size fliud nozzle is best for the material being sprayed.
Low voc clears are sometimes higher in solids content due to the limited amount of slovents that can be used that are exempt. Also to keep costs down as the exempt solvents are pricier. There are low voc clears out there that are lower in solid content that their higher voc counterparts.
It all boils down to what the chemist wants to do and the price point and end user they are targeting.
well were gonna find out right away … they’re coming for my diamont and putting in a limco system :unsure:
[quote=”Stone” post=14688]well were gonna find out right away … they’re coming for my diamont and putting in a limco system :unsure:[/quote]
Comon old timer :stoned stop fighting it and go water already :rofl
:chairCall up Jason @ Western and get him to set you up with EHP, you can’t go wrong :dnc
Keep us updated on it Stone! :weights
[quote=”dcturcotte” post=14691][quote=”Stone” post=14688]well were gonna find out right away … they’re coming for my diamont and putting in a limco system :unsure:[/quote]
Comon old timer :stoned stop fighting it and go water already :rofl
:chairCall up Jason @ Western and get him to set you up with EHP, you can’t go wrong :dnc[/quote]
just might be plan B 😉 … tell him to stop in next time he’s down this way :pcorn:
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