DEBEER !!!
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had the pleasure of shooting some light silver for the first time. WOW. very impressed. I didn’t run into any problems so can’t say how hard it is to repair. I doubt it’s harder than onyx Horse-.Dookie. I was sceptical with the ten percent reduction it calls for but it makes up for material with better coverage. the match is damn good. dries thrice times faster than HD an twice as faster than envirobase. smoothest lay down over everything ive used so far. and is cheaper than ppg by 20$ for a quart. only thing i thought was weird is there were no optional variants for the color I shot while companies like basf has over 5 and ppg with 3. but the match is right there.. ? also, I never ever really here anyone talkin about debeer. so what’s up with some 411 on this line guys? cus im otherwise sold
i think mckoke has used it i cant ever say ive heard much bad about it
well i only use it in solvent on everything thats not fleet and the hs clear on a few vehicles. in my opinion its the best paint system ive used and the least expensive. another member here uses it in water and has great things to say about it too
I have heard great things about it but have never used it,Andy T uses there waterborne and loves the stuff.It is made in Holland and is based on latex technology,not solvent toners with a waterborne binder like basf,dupont,SW.I have heard it is very similar to sikkens autowave,if it was available in my area I would use it.Sikkens has many colors that do not have variants and the match is bang on.
As Jason says, I’ve been using it for a while now and can hardly fault it. Hiding power is sometimes a bit lacking, but that’s down to the use of less pigment to reduce the product cost. It’s something they’re working on, but with their excellent undercoat system it’s rarely a real issue.
And yes it dries really fast as long as it gets a decent airflow over it, no matter how much you pile on in one go. I rarely have a job that takes more than 30 minutes from tack rag to bake.
Repair work is easy too. Unlike many water borne bases that stay a little tacky or rubbery, this stuff just dries, and can be sanded with no problem at all. I’ve even taken a DA to it within minutes of application!
Are you using one of their clears too?
any 1 useing it in the states USA, the valspar rep was in a few w=eeks ago and was saying up in canada,its working verey well.debeer is a sister company of valspar.
yes, i use solvent debeer in Jersey. but about it being the sister company of valspar think of it as the time when mercedes benz was paired with chrysler 😡
I don’t know what it’s like where you guys are, but in the UK Valspar is more like a parent company that also looks after the distribution and/or technical support of DeBeer, Octoral and House of Kolors.
I have shot a few jobs with the solvent, sprays real nice and the color match was real good, price is good. I really like the ms clear. Lays down really nice, very forgiving and buffs great. Will run on you though if you push it to hard.
dont they all :lol1 :cheers :cheers
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Repair work is easy too. Unlike many water borne bases that stay a little tacky or rubbery, this stuff just dries, and can be sanded with no problem at all. I’ve even taken a DA to it within minutes of application!
Are you using one of their clears too?[/quote]
Lesonal is terrible for flatting it has that rubbery feel to it, you cant go near the base coat with anything wet ie panelwipe etc or it just turns to sludge.
That is my only gripe other than that lesonal has been okay for us. i have spoke to a few people about debeer and they seem to rate it.
Andy if it works in your shop it must be okay as you have a pretty high volume going through the shop.
You can’t base your opinion of a paint system on just one colour match. Where one colour might be great, another might be nowhere close.
DeBeer paint is regarded as ‘bottom of the barrel’ here, with most of the good shops using PPG, Standox and Glasurit.
I could be wrong, but DeBeer might be cheaper because they don’t have as many tinters in their system, so there’s colours are a ‘closest match’ based on that limitation.
Also, what sort of support are you going to get from the manufacturer?
[quote=”Paintwerks” post=21503]You can’t base your opinion of a paint system on just one colour match. Where one colour might be great, another might be nowhere close.[/quote]
I’ve painted several thousand cars with DeBeer now and on the whole have been pretty impressed by the colour matching. Just like any scheme there are some that don’t match, but I’ve found the same with every manufacturer.[quote=”Paintwerks” post=21503] DeBeer paint is regarded as ‘bottom of the barrel’ here, with most of the good shops using PPG, Standox and Glasurit.[/quote]
I’m guessing by people that haven’t actually used it? I swapped over from ICI/NEXA Aquabase, and wouldn’t want to go back. I’ve also had painters here that have used the three paints you’ve mentioned, and they all found DeBeer much more user friendly. Just because something doesn’t have a well known name doesn’t mean it’s bad 😉
[quote=”Paintwerks” post=21503]I could be wrong, but DeBeer might be cheaper because they don’t have as many tinters in their system, so there’s colours are a ‘closest match’ based on that limitation.[/quote]
Only 52 tinters on the scheme, but as I say above I haven’t found that to be a problem as far as matching goes.[quote=”Paintwerks” post=21503]Also, what sort of support are you going to get from the manufacturer?[/quote]
I can’t speak for every user, but as one of their key accounts we get excellent support. Their computerised colour library (ICRIS) is excellent, and is the first choice for the (unbiased) tech guys I know, when they’re having trouble identifying a colour. It’s also updated over the internet on a weekly basis, so you’re never caught short without a new colour and have to mess about ringing the colour lab.In the cases of poor colour match I mention above, the guys pop round and help me tint them up (or even completely re-formulate them), and they’ll be up on the system and available worldwide within days.
I’ve only had 3 colours I can think of that weren’t even close, but one was a special edition PT Cruiser, and two Audi colours turned out to be on rogue cars, as I’ve subsequently used the standard shade of each on other cars and they’ve been fine.
As you can tell, I’m a bit of a fan 😆 but I have no wish to promote this product over any other, I’m just stating the facts based on my extensive “end user” experience of it :cheer:
[b]Nick[/b] – I had a guy here for a while that used to be a Lesonal tech guy. Just like you he liked the product on the whole, but said it was a nightmare for re-working compared to DeBeer . He much preferred Lesonal clears to the DeBeer one we have though.
[quote=”Paintwerks” post=21503]You can’t base your opinion of a paint system on just one colour match. Where one colour might be great, another might be nowhere close.
I wasn’t basing it solely on the color match. but in all important charactersitics of what a good water paint shud have. I was a glasurit onyx user till now. long history with envirobase too. haven’t tried sandbox though… but I must say, DaBeer over ppg or glasurit any day of the week.
DeBeer paint is regarded as ‘bottom of the barrel’ here, with most of the good shops using PPG, Standox and Glasurit.
i can only assume that u haven’t tried it. forget what all the shops are using, n try shoot some. and then I’d like o hear your opinion on what’s superior to what .
one complaint however is there tds.. it doesnt tell much
http://www.de-beer.com/TDS/agb/TDSDBL-WB900-TI-A.pdf
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