Debeer 900 wb who is using it ?
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Just taken the plunge and commited to debeer 900 wb bc as never using w/b before anything i should watch out for
just bought a nice new gti pro digital for spraying it too
any input welcome
tommy
[quote=”turbo t” post=23831]Just taken the plunge and commited to debeer 900 wb bc as never using w/b before anything i should watch out for
just bought a nice new gti pro digital for spraying it too
any input welcome
tommy[/quote]
I am sure Andy use’s Debeer and will have vast experience with it, from memory he rates it pretty highly as well
yeh thanks nick … i spoke to andy before about it and he swore by it …. my new paint rep also dose !
just to see if anyone else has any input in debeer ?
what you using nick >?
hi tommy
been using Lesonal WB since 2006, it is okay, the only thing i dont like is any base imperfections have to be flatted dry.
If you put anything wet on the base it just goes to mush, and the base has to be pretty well dired before you can flat it dry.
I used to use spies witch you could flat with panelwipe witch was pretty handy.
Lesonal is okay has it good points and bad points like most makes.
Who is your supplier is it Brian from Caralac
[quote=”nick@dunsdale” post=23834]hi tommy
been using Lesonal WB since 2006, it is okay, the only thing i dont like is any base imperfections have to be flatted dry.
If you put anything wet on the base it just goes to mush, and the base has to be pretty well dired before you can flat it dry.
I used to use spies witch you could flat with panelwipe witch was pretty handy.
Lesonal is okay has it good points and bad points like most makes.
Who is your supplier is it Brian from Caralac[/quote]
Yes brian well mainly allan the tech …offering training etc for the debeer range..realy helpfull guys and allan realy knows his stuff !
how do you know brian dose he get lost and end up in your town??? :whistle:
[quote]how do you know brian dose he get lost and end up in your town??? :whistle:[/quote]
Brian comes in to my place as well usualy on monday’s, lol yes he is a bit of a character :blink:
He is a great guy will do anything he can to help you
where you about nick?
Tommy i live and work in Selkirk about 30 miles south of edinburgh.
Just past Galashiels
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Yes brian well mainly allan the tech …offering training etc for the debeer range..realy helpfull guys and allan realy knows his stuff ![/quote]
Are you not getting one of the DeBeer guys up for the training then? A good bunch of guys, particularly Peter.
If there’s anything specific you want to know just ask. There’s nothing in particular I can think of to warn you about except that, if the colour says it needs an undercoat, then use it! Might seem like a pain in the ass at first but trust me, it does make a world of difference and saves lots of time and money in the end.
On that score, I do know that some of their tinters are due for a re-vamp/upgrade soon to increase the covering power so don’t worry if you have the odd colour that takes an extra coat to cover – they are on it 😉
Hey andy,
Alan my rep is realy as close as i will get…. he is a paint tech for debeer he goes down south and abroad to the training complex they have and he has a major knowlage base .. he is doing training on
preperation
mixing
application of primer …. wet on wet sealer
base coat / blend ….wet bed
clear coat
should be good !
just bought a nice new gti pro digital for application too !
hope all goes well
Ah, cool.
Alan is one name I haven’t heard but then you’re a lot further north than I am! 😆 Peter Moore lives in my hometown so I get to see him quite a lot.
Are you getting the computerised ICRIS system? If so then you’ll love it once you get to know you’re way around it. I’ve never used a system anywhere near as good, or as up to date. I download the weekly updates on my PC at home and load them onto the machine at work from a USB stick. Peter came to work one day and we mixed a field formula for a car I was having trouble with. It was sent to Holland, loaded on the database and available to the whole world by the following week. Can’t get much better than that!
By the way, I don’t used the wet bed technique. I’ve tried it, but this stuff blends so easily that I’ve never found the need.
Have fun :dnc
awsome thanks mate … yes i have the disc awaiting my collection ….he was telling me about the updates earlier tonight ….amazing system by the sound of it ….. i am also going to go for mini mixing system etc… along with gti pro / 2l of ezr silver and 1.5 of ground and 1.5 of khd firedance
5l clear coat
5l of panel wipe
tack rags
should be fun lol
thanks again for the info
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5l clear coat
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Just to give you an idea of the scale of our operation – I usually get through one of those every 2 days when we’re busy!Hey guys,
sounds like your in England. Im in the U.S.. If you guys dont mind i would like to ask you some questions about the 900 line and Debeer in general. Frist i was wondering what products you guys use, such as Primer surfacers and clears. I use a lot of 8-145 both as a surfacer and as a sealer. Do you guys use this product? If so, are you useing it with the ms or the hs hardners and what do you think of it? I also use or have used 121 and 104 clears. Do you use these and what do you think of them? I have herd about the clear 420.Cool number by the way :stoned Have you used it and what do you think? Then lets get into color match.Compared to the system i use most of the time, the 900 line seems to have way less variant chips.Its not just one code it seems to be every code i look at. Honestly i havnt looked at that many maybe twenty or so.This freaks me out a bit. So i guess my question is, What do you think of the color match? I also see that they have less toners on their bank. Does this mean they cant make some colors? I ask the reps these questions but all i get like every other salesmen is a bunch of well….sales bs if you know what i mean. Thanks for taking the time to read this. :rockWoah! lots of questions! I’ll do my best to answer them :pcorn:
[quote=”El chupacabra” post=24068]Hey guys,
sounds like your in England. Im in the U.S.. If you guys dont mind i would like to ask you some questions about the 900 line and Debeer in general[color=#0000bb]Yep, there are a few of us here from the UK[/color]
Frist i was wondering what products you guys use, such as Primer surfacers and clears. I use a lot of 8-145 both as a surfacer and as a sealer. Do you guys use this product? If so, are you useing it with the ms or the hs hardners and what do you think of it?
[color=#0000bb]Yes I use 8-145 as a primer, with the 8-140 fast or 8-130 extra fast HS hardeners. Works pretty well I find. Dries well, sands easily, doesn’t shrink if applied correctly. Just about everything you need in a primer really :lol1 I have used it occasionally as a sealer for brand new panels but on the whole I don’t believe in sealers. To me it’s extra time and money spent on something that’s only there to disguise poor prep work. Just my feelings on it.[/color]
I also use or have used 121 and 104 clears. Do you use these and what do you think of them? I have herd about the clear 420.Cool number by the way :stoned Have you used it and what do you think?
[color=#0000bb]Not used either of those I’m afraid. I know some DeBeer products are numbered differently in other parts of the world though, so they may be similar to the ones I use. I mostly use the 8-214 scratch resistant HS clear. It’ll do single visit applications if needed (30% coat then straight over with a full coat) but I prefer 2 coats for most jobs. We get a fair amount of trash due to the quick throughput and the extra film thickness gives us plenty of room to flat & polish it out.
I have tried both of DeBeers 420 clearcoats. The 8-414 “regular” one, and the 8-314 speed clear. The last one is one of my favourites of all time. Plenty of build, good gloss, and 10 minute bake time with the speed additive! It’s far too expensive for us to use here though so we stick to the 8-214.
By the way, the 420 figure is used to show that it’s a compliant product. Most shops have to use such products, which contain a maximum of 420 grammes of VOC per litre of product.[/color]
Then lets get into color match.Compared to the system i use most of the time, the 900 line seems to have way less variant chips.Its not just one code it seems to be every code i look at. Honestly i havnt looked at that many maybe twenty or so.This freaks me out a bit. So i guess my question is, What do you think of the color match? I also see that they have less toners on their bank. Does this mean they cant make some colors? I ask the reps these questions but all i get like every other salesmen is a bunch of well….sales bs if you know what i mean. Thanks for taking the time to read this.
[color=#0000bb]They do appear to have a few less toners than other schemes, but compared to others I’ve used it’s mainly the “weakened” ones that are missing. You know, like a tinting black or yellow which isn’t very strong. It can make mixing small quantities of white (for example) a bit tricky, with a drop either way affecting the final colour, but I’ve just learned to mix a reasonable amount of paint to account for this.
I’ve yet to find a colour that I can’t mix. There are bound to be some of the really old colours that haven’t been reformulated in water borne, but I’m sure that’s the same for most manufacturers. The other week I was asked to look up a colour for a 1981 Mercedes. It was available on my scheme despite being 30 years old
As for colour matching. Some do, some don’t :whistle: To be honest I blend a lot of adjacent panels as in our environment it’s the best way. 10 minute extra to scuff a surrounding panel and a few pennys worth of tape compared to mixing and spraying out (possibly) several shades of paint and tinting up and down. We simply don’t have the time available to mess around like that so I’ll go for the nearest shade and blend it. There are certain colours that I’ve sprayed many many times and I know they’ll be a perfect butt match, but most of the time it’s simply not worth the risk as I cannot afford to have any reworks[/color]
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