Ford Hot Magenta, 3 stage.
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Evening all.
Just wondered if anybody on here has had to refinish said colour?
As far as I know it is limited to the Fiesta, which I dont think you get over the pond but is very popular here in the Uk. I know it is popular throughout europe too.
The problem I have with it is being too dark. From factory it is a dark grey primer, which I used, followed by a purple metallic base/ground coat, followed by a clear base mid coat with 2% toners in it, very very transparent.
Once I had enough coverage with the purple base/ground coat over the dark grey primer, it made the colour too dark and obviously the clear base mid coat with 2% toner over the top was never going to lighten it up. I dont see how I could have done anything else with it. It was blended by the way.
The first time was far too dark. The second attempt was still dark but customer happy.
Any suggestions?
We do have the fiestas over here as well.
What paint are you using?
You could try applying less ground coat (not full coverage) and let the sealer colour bleed through (likely what the factory did, by being cheap).
Are there any variants for the colour you could work with? How well did your ground coat match to the factory?
the only thing i can tell u is just do some spray out cards and write down everything u put in or leave out
How are you doing your mid coat blend?Are you staggering your blend or just keep going outward?I would do a spray out of the ground coat and see how it matches some where on the car(under hood trunk etc).If your ground coat is off you are already screwed and you will not match it.What exactly do you have to spray?Sometimes taking an extra panel is necessary to achieve a good blend with more room.WHat paint brand are you using?
Hey guys thanks for your input. Surprised to hear you have fiestas! Paint line is debeer, colours are always very good. I did a test spray and it was close but a little light as it was over white. I thought by matching the factory undercoat it would certainly be very close and blendable. Repair area was rear quarter panel and rear door, blending into un damaged front door. Blend is unnoticeable but repair area is a touch dark. Blend was staggered with final coat of mid coat across the whole front door. This hasn’t affected the front door to fender match. I guess my undercoat was too dark even though it was very close to factory. Less ground coat would have meant repair still visible as mid coat added no coverage.
Also, no colour varients in the debeer scheme. Being a small shop we buy our colours pre mixed so we don’t tint much and rarely need too.
I’ve painted that colour in DeBeer 900 series many times. Apparently it has a 90% failure rate since it’s effectively a 4 stage with their scheme so don’t feel too bad, but I’ve always managed to be successful and have even done it edge to edge a few times with no problems 😉
The recommended undercoat is GS901 (black), but I always use a black primer instead to save one step in the booth. The red pearl mid coat (1368) covers really badly and you’ll need several coats of it. I’ve used anything up to 6! Then drop coat it with the usual low pressure / 18″ or more distance method and blend out as required.
I then put on two full wet coats of the tinted clear (709), blending as required.
Give that lot PLENTY of time to dry. I tended to put it on a bake cycle for 10 minutes using the blowers as well. With so much base going on you need to be really sure it’s fully dry all the way through.
After letting it cool for a bit, throw on some clear and you’re golden 🙂
If I had to guess, it may be the dark grey undercoat that’s throwing you out. It really does need to be black.
EDIT: And you must get 100% coverage with the pearl coat (1368) The tinted clear top coat (a bit like a candy) doesn’t really do much at all as you’ve found.
Hey Andy, thanks for your input. Your knowledge of colours is always impressive.
I think you are right, I should have gone with a true black primer or undercoat. Also, I dont think I applied the tinted clear wet enough as the second time I painted it, all I did was apply more of this over the repair and blend area and once outside in the light of day, I would say it was 90% match, which the customer was happy with and I could live with. I think next time I will be able to get it closer still.
Once again, thanks everybody for your input and ideas, that is what makes this site what it is.
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