Getting Raped
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Ok, so its almost the end of the year and its been a decent one i must say. But am noticing lately my jobber doesnt like me that much. Getting bent over on the prices big time, i mean $600 for 7.5 liters sprayable clear. I’ve decided its time for a change when it comes to the price of materials, this year so far its a little north of 60k. Any ideas on how to cut some cost in this area? maybe buy online? Buy in bulk and keep an inventory? Can you buy direct from a paint company and try to cut out the middle man? Even a savings of 10k next year would be better in my pocket than in his. Im not only talking paint im talking sand papers fillers masking paper etc.
Have you priced product out from your competitors? Have you talked to your supplier and tried to negotiate at all? I am not sure how many options you would have in your area, so you may be limited. What are you guys charging for paint and body materials on your estimates? Can you justify charging more?
You could just bend over and take it like a man… :whistle:
how bout not buying 600 dollar clear? plenty of clears out there for a fraction of the price and perform well. stop buying everything 3M
[quote=”MoCoke” post=24079]how bout not buying 600 dollar clear? plenty of clears out there for a fraction of the price and perform well. stop buying everything 3M[/quote]
Indeed. I constantly try new/different products to see how they are (more so shop supplies than paint). Surprisingly, some of the cheaper products are often better than the expensive stuff. As long as its compatible with what I am using, I will give it a shot.
Smooth, does your supplier sell all PPG products, or just the Nexa line?
What other choices do you have in town for paint jobbers?Maybe it is time to move down the road,or do what I have done,call your jobber and tell him to come get his F@#king paint :rofl :rofl .
Here are a few ideas that can save you some cash.
1.Carborundum sand paper is made by norton(saint gobain abrasives) and it is always cheaper and identical to the higher priced norton,goes farther than 3m.
2.3m 233+ tape is nice but the carbo or norton premium or 3m yellow tape works just as good,3m white masking paper is cheap also.
3.Are you using sata rps cups for everything? If you are just try using it for your waterborne,and metal pots for sealer and clear.
4.You could start using a lower line of primers in your system as long as your jobber will warranty them eg omni mp 282.
5.I agree that $600 for 7.5 litres of clear is stupid,but on the flipside every cheap clear I have used has bit me in the ass.But one that I have used on some budget jobs is matrix Autoglas 40 LV,our cost on 7.5L kit is around $185,and be damned if it isn’t easy to spray and looks nice and glossy and stays that way.Can’t say that for upol,carsystem,rubberseal or any of the other cheap crap clears out there.[quote=”Jayson M” post=24084]What other choices do you have in town for paint jobbers?Maybe it is time to move down the road,or do what I have done,call your jobber and tell him to come get his F@#king paint :rofl :rofl .
Here are a few ideas that can save you some cash.
1.Carborundum sand paper is made by norton(saint gobain abrasives) and it is always cheaper and identical to the higher priced norton,goes farther than 3m.
2.3m 233+ tape is nice but the carbo or norton premium or 3m yellow tape works just as good,3m white masking paper is cheap also.
3.Are you using sata rps cups for everything? If you are just try using it for your waterborne,and metal pots for sealer and clear.
4.You could start using a lower line of primers in your system as long as your jobber will warranty them eg omni mp 282.
5.I agree that $600 for 7.5 litres of clear is stupid,but on the flipside every cheap clear I have used has bit me in the ass.But one that I have used on some budget jobs is matrix Autoglas 40 LV,our cost on 7.5L kit is around $185,and be damned if it isn’t easy to spray and looks nice and glossy and stays that way.Can’t say that for upol,carsystem,rubberseal or any of the other cheap crap clears out there.[/quote]The two jobbers in my town carry PPg( which i am using )and dupont(which is not an option for me) :sick:
I’ll check into the sandpaper, sounds interesting because norton is what my jobber carrys anywhay.
I have myself ruined with the norton plastic cups for everything that i spray but it could be an option.
Im using the lower brand Shopline 2Kprimer already but cutting cost on Etch is not an option because corrosion is a problem in my area.
And the $600 clear is the one in my system that is for waterborn paint and i have peace of mind because it is fully warranted. And i like it alot.
How about buying online? anyone else doing it?
[quote=”smooth” post=24092][quote=”Jayson M” post=24084]What other choices do you have in town for paint jobbers?Maybe it is time to move down the road,or do what I have done,call your jobber and tell him to come get his F@#king paint :rofl :rofl .
Here are a few ideas that can save you some cash.
1.Carborundum sand paper is made by norton(saint gobain abrasives) and it is always cheaper and identical to the higher priced norton,goes farther than 3m.
2.3m 233+ tape is nice but the carbo or norton premium or 3m yellow tape works just as good,3m white masking paper is cheap also.
3.Are you using sata rps cups for everything? If you are just try using it for your waterborne,and metal pots for sealer and clear.
4.You could start using a lower line of primers in your system as long as your jobber will warranty them eg omni mp 282.
5.I agree that $600 for 7.5 litres of clear is stupid,but on the flipside every cheap clear I have used has bit me in the ass.But one that I have used on some budget jobs is matrix Autoglas 40 LV,our cost on 7.5L kit is around $185,and be damned if it isn’t easy to spray and looks nice and glossy and stays that way.Can’t say that for upol,carsystem,rubberseal or any of the other cheap crap clears out there.[/quote]The two jobbers in my town carry PPg( which i am using )and dupont(which is not an option for me) :sick:
I’ll check into the sandpaper, sounds interesting because norton is what my jobber carrys anywhay.
I have myself ruined with the norton plastic cups for everything that i spray but it could be an option.
Im using the lower brand Shopline 2Kprimer already but cutting cost on Etch is not an option because corrosion is a problem in my area.
And the $600 clear is the one in my system that is for waterborn paint and i have peace of mind because it is fully warranted. And i like it alot.
How about buying online? anyone else doing it?[/quote]
Are you using any of the PPG Specialty Performance Products? They are PPGs Universal brand of misc. products and are priced well. PPG will warranty them under any of their paint lines. The etch, adhesion promoter and flexible primer are all good products. Their One Choice line has a lot of good options as well.
Why don’t you phone your Dupont Jobber (I assume its a NAPA/Cmax) and price some stuff out. May not be cheaper for the paint, but you may get a better price on everything else. At very least, it will get you some leverage with your supplier. You could always stick with your PPG paint from your supplier and buy all the shop supplies from the DuPont jobber.
Have you ever given DuPont a good honest shot? I know lots of guys don’t like it, and I would agree that the PPG water base is nicer. However, if the price is better you may grow to be happy with the switch
I have never heard of PPG specialty products but will check it out.
Me and my ex-jobber that carrys Dupont are finished.
I have been reading that Duponts color matches are hit or miss and delam is an issue.
Im going to sit and talk with my jobber and see what happens.are the specialty products any cheaper? :deadhorse
Can you get Lesonal??
[quote=”ryanbrown999″ post=24121]Can you get Lesonal??[/quote]
Yes. I have used lesonal in the past.
Look into ProBase. I’ve heard nothing but great things about it. :dnc :whistle:
[quote=”smooth” post=24127][quote=”ryanbrown999″ post=24121]Can you get Lesonal??[/quote]
Yes. I have used lesonal in the past.[/quote]
You would be hard pressed to find a better product for the money than Lesonal imo. Or invest in some job costing software and bill each job accordingly. That way you have a set amount of markup on everything.
Whats the biggest set back with lessonal compared to other sikken line? more base to get hiding?
The only setback I could think of is the odd color that might need and extra coat.When you go to mix a color on your computer it will give you the suggested sealer color(shade of gray) to help with coverage,if you aren’t going to seal just make your primer the right shade and you will be fine.Pretty decent waterborne or solvent system and the same colormatch as sikkens.
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