Getting rid of Onyx
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After a 3 year battle, the shop is going back to Diamont.
Now I can change my user name to enjoying-painting.Wow good for you guys,your lucky its still legal in your area.What were the major issues you were having and what did your reps have to say?
Blends, color match, dry time, etc.
Our other store is using 90 line and they are having the same issues.
According to the reps we are the only two shops in the world having these issues.
The jobber insisted going back to Diamont after they got wind of the owner talking to PPG.LOL.
Where abouts are you located.
Funny how they always say that same Line of BS[quote=”ding” post=33804]LOL.
Where abouts are you located.
Funny how they always say that same Line of BS[/quote]No kidding,same old crap to cover their arse for a crappy product :wak
[quote=”ding” post=33804]LOL.
Where abouts are you located.
Funny how they always say that same Line of BS[/quote]I am in Michigan
One of the largest shops here (3 shops across 2 counties) went through the same last year with BASF. Of course, like you, they were told they are the only ones having issues. They tried both 90 and onyx line, complete systems. They are using envirobase now.
I think ( generally speaking about all brands of waterbourne) that they can all be successful. But, they all seem to be very sensitive to the individual spraying environment in addition to other factors.
I continually hear stories like this where a good product that works well in 1 shop, just simply doesn’t work elsewhere. You may have had better luck with another waterbourne, maybe not.
I do wonder if one day we’ll look back at the “dark days” of waterbourne…kinda like comparing lacquer and alkyd enamel to base/clear and catalyzed single stage. As much as I do like waterbourne, I often seem to remember solvent base as being a lot less finicky.
Nonetheless, good luck/congrats on the switch.
I’ve been spraying onyx for a few years and I don’t mind it. We’ve had our share of issues but it’s been ok for us. I was just wondering what problems you’ve encountered if you don’t mind answering.
[quote=”hating-painting” post=33803]Blends, color match, dry time, etc.
Our other store is using 90 line and they are having the same issues.
According to the reps we are the only two shops in the world having these issues.
The jobber insisted going back to Diamont after they got wind of the owner talking to PPG.[/quote]Funny you say this cause we are have problems with Onyx too.
I just hope the owner of the shop I work at will tell BASF to take all there stuff and put the DuPont back in(didn’t have any problems)
[quote=”81Malibu” post=33853]I’ve been spraying onyx for a few years and I don’t mind it. We’ve had our share of issues but it’s been ok for us. I was just wondering what problems you’ve encountered if you don’t mind answering.[/quote]
It is slow, even with blowers.
Trying to denib or minor repairs. Not happening.
Blending. Sometimes, no matter what you do, you still get that halo.
Just overall everything seems to be a battle.
It has been an even bigger battle for the other shop that is using 90 line.The four of us painters are ready for a change.
Pretty much the same experience I’ve had. We had to switch to keep our account with Mercedes. We’ve after a little trial and error that the colors actually match better than Diamont and we had Diamont there since the 90’s. I also think that I’m a bit spoiled since most of the time I get to just do the whole side, but for the most part I prefer Onyx.
onyx has a new line out that is a low voc and blows the water away and with no fans
ive sprayed water and had no problems
also if your using the onyx hd heard its very sensitive to humidityI was just reading your post and, I thought I was the only one in the whole world having problems with 90 line according to the reps. I can get the paint on Ok but it’s the color matches that are NEVER any good.
[quote=”Ben” post=33808]I think ( generally speaking about all brands of waterbourne) that they can all be successful. But, they all seem to be very sensitive to the individual spraying environment in addition to other factors.
I continually hear stories like this where a good product that works well in 1 shop, just simply doesn’t work elsewhere. You may have had better luck with another waterbourne, maybe not.
I do wonder if one day we’ll look back at the “dark days” of waterbourne…kinda like comparing lacquer and alkyd enamel to base/clear and catalyzed single stage. As much as I do like waterbourne, I often seem to remember solvent base as being a lot less finicky.
Nonetheless, good luck/congrats on the switch.[/quote]
Exactly my thoughts. When I sprayed Onyx, I used to love using it in my heated downdraft booth but in my crappier crossdraft without a make-up unit it was not so fun to use (no waterborne was really). I used to enjoy diamont, I like the new low-voc solvent additives for Onyx, if your not well equipped for water it’s a nice option to have.
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