High quality “China” guns..
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How do the cheap Chinese copy of body parts and headlights fit?
Use a Devilbiss Startingline or Finishline for a cheap gun that sprays decent.
Ok you say.. ditch the china get the starting line from Devilbiss.. How can the finish from starting line compare to high end guns?? Be honest.. I spray medium cost stuff.. mostly Mobihel and Glasurit..
Can you get factory finish from starting line?My first gun was an IR270G. It’s pretty cheap, $100 at most places. I have a Sata 4000RP now, and I still use the IR a fair amount. I do most of my clear work with the RP, but I use the IR for base quite often. Also, the RP has a 1.3 tip, and when using a cheap, fast clear (Nason 497 / 498) I get better results out of the IR with it’s 1.5.
Honestly, if I am going to sand and buff something, I don’t think it would make much difference which gun I shot it with. Sure, the IR leaves more orange peel than the RP, but it’s not a tremendous difference.
I’d probably go that route as opposed to getting the China Super Gun.
Well I will go with 1 Startingline kit, and get a Finishline for clear.. 🙂
I had a look at their range on the web site and it’s quite extensive. Some very old designs there too that may be their own. It’s not just Sata and Devilbiss that appear to have been copied. They’ve copied Star guns as well and some others there that I recognise.
I have seen their copy of the Star 710. Interested because I have two of them. Medium fan guns, HP but atomise well and good for base on smaller jobs. Mine are about 12 years old and, like most Star products, as reliable as the day is long. Saw the copy in a tool shop and had a good look at it. Looks the same but casting quality is poor, finish is very ordinary and trigger feel is nothing like the original. They even gave it the same model number which I thought a bit cheeky. If this is representative of the rest of their products I wouldn’t bother wasting money.
That said I had a StartingLine kit a while back and it fairly quickly made its’ way to the bin. Devilbiss should be ashamed to put their name on such junk. There are much better options out there for the same money.
If this gun is to spray something as a hobby in your garage, it would probably work fine. In that environment you normally have so many other things to worry about and you can get a decent finish that you can cut and buff with a primer gun. But if you are doing this for a living and it is your money maker, I would invest in something that is going to give you predictable results every time. That would be my main concern, I havent had very good luck out of anything that has come from China, the quality control is very hit and miss.
Chuck
I have used the aurita brand of guns and there air adjustable controllers and the quality is absolute junk! Don’t waste your money and time
Got it … No china guns.. I do plan to get a nice quality gun.. maybe Devilbiss Plus, or even Tekna..
I had in mind finish line/starting line.. but I see many people say they are junkish also..
I do not do this for living.. I just have huge desire to work with such stuff.. 🙂Good choice, I think.
Just go for the better mid-range stuff. Some of the big brands have guns that they sell at lower prices but are near the quality of their top range products. FinishLine 5 from Devilbiss (better than the FinishLine 4 IMO), AZ3 HTE2 from Iwata are two examples.
So..
I finally made my choice.. I will get AZ3 HTE Mk II in 1.3mm
http://www.spraygunsdirect.co.uk/product.php?tid=79&products_id=6096From other forums I had read that there is a problem with spare parts and repair kits.. kinda not available always..
Since I am on a tight budget and the gun does not come with a wrench, the additional cost of $80 for a wrench is crazy.. is there another way / substitute wrench..
Any Devilbiss/Iwata users there that can check if Devilbiss wrench is OK with the Iwatas..
The good side is that it is a compliant gun that suits my compressor and my type of hobby work, mostly bumpers, fenders, motorbikes etc..
Any word on the quality of the finish it lays down??
I’m only a novice home sprayer. I’ve got that exact one and it’s much better quality than the ebay ones I’ve got for primer etc. Finish was good enough for me off the gun.
[quote=”martinMK” post=32867]So..
I finally made my choice.. I will get AZ3 HTE Mk II in 1.3mm
http://www.spraygunsdirect.co.uk/product.php?tid=79&products_id=6096From other forums I had read that there is a problem with spare parts and repair kits.. kinda not available always..
Since I am on a tight budget and the gun does not come with a wrench, the additional cost of $80 for a wrench is crazy.. is there another way / substitute wrench..
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I bought an AZ3 three years ago for primer. It’s still working fine and I use it weekly. Plastic cup is not designed for longevity. It’s not worth buying a replacement metal cup when the plastic one is too tired to use. I’ve spoken with Iwata about this gun and they consider it disposable and not worth rebuilding. That’s why rebuild kits and parts are limited and their cost won’t justify a rebuild. You don’t need a special wrench for it.[quote=”martinMK” post=32867]So..
I finally made my choice.. I will get AZ3 HTE Mk II in 1.3mm
http://www.spraygunsdirect.co.uk/product.php?tid=79&products_id=6096From other forums I had read that there is a problem with spare parts and repair kits.. kinda not available always..
Since I am on a tight budget and the gun does not come with a wrench, the additional cost of $80 for a wrench is crazy.. is there another way / substitute wrench.. [/quote]
I have one which I use for clear on smaller panels. Too good for just primer and TBH I have other guns that do a better job given that the AZ3 is 1.3mm.
It does need to be set up correctly and kept scrupulously clean. Using MS clear it lays down beautifully. Flat as glass in 1.5 or 2 coats.
Star gun spanners will fit perfectly (I have a stack of spares if you want one :p ) or just use a 17mm ring spanner for the fluid nozzle.
[quote=”ScottB” post=32872]
I bought an AZ3 three years ago for primer. It’s still working fine and I use it weekly. Plastic cup is not designed for longevity. It’s not worth buying a replacement metal cup when the plastic one is too tired to use. I’ve spoken with Iwata about this gun and they consider it disposable and not worth rebuilding. That’s why rebuild kits and parts are limited and their cost won’t justify a rebuild. You don’t need a special wrench for it.[/quote]Funny, I looked at parts supply before I bought mine and they’re readily available here. Maybe just a support decision by Iwata US?
Mine gets daily use and cup is as good as new. What kind of issues are you having with it?
So.. I should stay in the positive good side with this one 🙂
I live in Europe.. so AirGunsa parts are avaliable
I was thinking if I didn’t hear quite good words for the AZ3MKII to get the European model of DeVilbiss FLG5, since they make ready to go repair kits…
[quote=”NFT5″ post=[quote=”ScottB” post=32872]
I bought an AZ3 three years ago for primer. It’s still working fine and I use it weekly. Plastic cup is not designed for longevity. It’s not worth buying a replacement metal cup when the plastic one is too tired to use. I’ve spoken with Iwata about this gun and they consider it disposable and not worth rebuilding. That’s why rebuild kits and parts are limited and their cost won’t justify a rebuild. You don’t need a special wrench for it.[/quote]Funny, I looked at parts supply before I bought mine and they’re readily available here. Maybe just a support decision by Iwata US?
Mine gets daily use and cup is as good as new. What kind of issues are you having with it?[/quote]
I paid $107 for it brand new w/ free shipping. When it pukes I’m not spending coin on a rebuild kit and new plastic or metal cup when I can just go buy a replacement or better gun. I prefer metal cups opposed to plastic cups with screw-on lids. A threaded plastic lid is not as easy to maintain. The gun paid for itself.
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