How to properly Set up your Iwata
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[quote=”Jayson M” post=24767]I suppose you can say I’ve had a short life but I’ve been lucky to have learned that having an edge is crucial for success to take place. So I will continue to do what ever it takes to make me a better painter when I don’t have the luxury of practicing.
Someone wants me to paint their bumper so I shall be changing somethings including the brand of clear and booth that it’s shot in and I’ll take a picture to show you guys where I’m at.
Your statemnent makes absolutely no sense,how are you going to get better by not practicing?The only way to get an edge is to practice to get better,right now you don’t have one :p Seriously most of the people here are guys with decades of experience working in a shop and painting everyday(myself included) and they have given you good advice…you need to listen.It takes time to get “used to “a clear,spraygun,booth etc changing something everytime you spray is only going to make it more difficult for you.For the record painting a bumper or small parts is not going to turn you into a painter.The only way to learn proper technique is to gradually move up to bigger jobs and eventually completes,that is where the skill comes from,not going out and buying a $500 gun and spending an afternoon reading how to on the net :deadhorse[/quote]
Well the reality is that I do have an edge and that’s why the complete I did came out looking better than the majority of shop painted cars. And yes obviously I will get better with practice but the thing about practice is that I’ll just be doing the exact same thing over and over. If I can have the chance to pick the brain of some of the painters on the planet than I will have the ability to learn techniques that I would not of learned even if I painted 10,000 cars.
So having said that, the best thing for me is not having people tell me to practice because I jump at the opportunity every chance I get, but what I need is for someone to tell me something that they’ve learned to achieve superior paint jobs.
Thank you all for your replies but I don’t have time for people who can only tell me to practice. And neither do the fine folks who are reading this post so that they can improve them selves as well.
If you are producing paint jobs that are better than what shops can do why are you here asking questions?. One nice job may be a fluke, tryin doing it every day after day after…. I paint every day, 6 days a week ,every year for the past years and i still make mistakes. Its what makes us human. Instead of comming here bashing ppl that know what they are talking about, try being humble and listen.
[quote=”pierceg” post=24797] And yes obviously I will get better with practice but the thing about practice is that [b]I’ll just be doing the exact same thing over and over[/b].[/quote]
But that’s the point, at first. Consistency is the key. Once you can produce exactly the same finish time after time, then you can move on to tweaking. As mentioned above, don’t change loads of things every time, but perhaps try half a turn in or out on the fluid and see if that’s better or worse for you. Then maybe try altering your speed or maybe spray distance. Again, change only one thing at a time and see how it goes. Keeping a note of the various changes can be helpful, as later on you might want to start doubling up on the changes – like less fluid output combined with slower speed.
But first of all I’d get yourself some decent products that you’re going to stick with, as changing (for example) clearcoat may well require you to start the above process all over again.
You may think we’re being hard on you by not disclosing the magic ingredient you need to give you that edge you’re so desperately looking for, but we are. It’s been mentioned many times, and there is absolutely no substitute for it. No Holy Grail, no magic combination of twists and turns on the gun. Just keep plugging away until you find what best suits [b]you[/b], the equipment [b]you[/b] are using, the products [b]you[/b] have, and the environment [b]you[/b] spray in.
Best of luck,
Andy 🙂[quote=”smooth” post=24798]If you are producing paint jobs that are better than what shops can do why are you here asking questions?. One nice job may be a fluke, tryin doing it every day after day after…. I paint every day, 6 days a week ,every year for the past years and i still make mistakes. Its what makes us human. Instead of comming here bashing ppl that know what they are talking about, try being humble and listen.[/quote]
I’m asking questions because being better than 50% of shops is not good enough for me, I’ll be done improving once I’m better than 100% of the shops. If you don’t think like that then this thread is not the thread for you. I’m sure many people are in the same boat as me and are not happy with where they currently are and only those people will have a use for this thread.
And let’s not get anything twisted. I did not insult anybody, in fact I was insulted repeatably and my rebuttal to those people was nothing but humble. The reason why I did this was not because I care more for your feelings than you do mine but because I really really want to learn what you all have to teach.
Thank you.
I will let you in a a secret that I probably shouldn’t and may get flamed for doing. There is a special set of setup instructions you get with guns after getting certified from a painters school. For s 1.3 Supernova you start with the fan knob all the way out and close it in until you reach a fan size of 10.75 inches from a gun distance of 5.875 inches. Once your fan is set you run the material knob in all the way and then back it out 2.5 turns. Once there you have to figure out the viscosity and solids of the clear your spraying. If the solid content in below 40 you turn it out another 2.2 turns. between 40-46.75 turn it out 1.73 turns. between 46.76 and 54.25 turn it out 1.22 turns. between 54.26 and 58.62 keep it the same and from 58.63 and up turn it in .375 turns.
Once there run your psi to 18.5 and keep at a distance of 5.5 to 5.6 inches from the surface with a 73.65% overlap and a 1.3 ft/second speed of stroke. Now if the viscosity is between 17-22 sec with a #2 Zahn cup you will bump the psi up 2.2 and x0.985 to all of the material adjustments while leaving the fan the same.
I will only leave these instructions up for so long and I will delete them as I don’t want to catch to much crap for posting them without you ever attending said schools. Kind of a trade secret. 😉
Shit Ryan, now I know what I’ve been doing wrong all these years!
Cheers bud :whistle:
Should have bought a SATA !
[quote=”pierceg” post=24803]
I’m asking questions because being better than 50% of shops is not good enough for me, I’ll be done improving once I’m better than 100% of the shops. If you don’t think like that then this thread is not the thread for you. I’m sure many people are in the same boat as me and are not happy with where they currently are and only those people will have a use for this thread.
And let’s not get anything twisted. I did not insult anybody, in fact I was insulted repeatably and my rebuttal to those people was nothing but humble. The reason why I did this was not because I care more for your feelings than you do mine but because I really really want to learn what you all have to teach.
Thank you.[/quote]
Sorry dude but you started the tread complaining that you bought a gun that “everyone” said was the gun to get to produce a glass finish. and on only your second car the gun did not produce the results it was supposed. we all told you it was not the guns fault, and anything close to a glass finish is only achieved through experience, and that there are way to many factors involved in the gun set up to give you a one size fits all adjustment. you couldnt handle that and came back calling on Jesus for some reason and didnt seem to understand why if the iwata was the one and only holy grail gun, that everyone else wasnt on board. So maybe when you come to a firm grip on reality and get your head out of your ass, then we can help you out :pcorn:I still don’t see the edge you are talking about,just another wantabee :rofl :rofl :rofl
[quote=”ryanbrown999″ post=24804]I will let you in a a secret that I probably shouldn’t and may get flamed for doing. There is a special set of setup instructions you get with guns after getting certified from a painters school. For s 1.3 Supernova you start with the fan knob all the way out and close it in until you reach a fan size of 10.75 inches from a gun distance of 5.875 inches. Once your fan is set you run the material knob in all the way and then back it out 2.5 turns. Once there you have to figure out the viscosity and solids of the clear your spraying. If the solid content in below 40 you turn it out another 2.2 turns. between 40-46.75 turn it out 1.73 turns. between 46.76 and 54.25 turn it out 1.22 turns. between 54.26 and 58.62 keep it the same and from 58.63 and up turn it in .375 turns.
Once there run your psi to 18.5 and keep at a distance of 5.5 to 5.6 inches from the surface with a 73.65% overlap and a 1.3 ft/second speed of stroke. Now if the viscosity is between 17-22 sec with a #2 Zahn cup you will bump the psi up 2.2 and x0.985 to all of the material adjustments while leaving the fan the same.
I will only leave these instructions up for so long and I will delete them as I don’t want to catch to much crap for posting them without you ever attending said schools. Kind of a trade secret. ;)[/quote]
Jesus don’t take those down too quick..I’m a slow writer…:)
My father told me about 25 year’s ago ” IF YOU WANT TO LEARN TO PAINT PICK UP A GUN AND GIVE IT A TRY RUN IT, ORANGE PEEL IT, THAT’S HOW TO LEARN TO PAINT LEARN HOW TO FIX YOUR MISTAKES” I am not a professional painter, just a guy who wanted to learn to do it myself, and yes I practiced and practied for year’s now and I still make mistakes!!!!!!!!
Ryan,
Sorry, I understood everything except for the solid content bit. I would love for you to explain that to me.And would people actually get upset at you for giving out really direct information like that? :ban?
(This thread got confusing a long time ago) On the subject of trade secrets, Ed Leedskalnin knows a lot of trade secrets. If you would like to learn what those are, I would type his name into YouTube. That’s what I did yesterday, good times.
u gotta be kidding me
Please can this thread :deadhorse :deadhorse :deadhorse
:agree :agree
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