Insurance companies and thier estimates??
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So we have a 2009 Honda civic 4dr in the shop right now that was keyed. Probably the worse key job Ive had to work on yet. They keyed the hood, fenders, all the doors, roof, both quarters, decklid, and spoiler. Its pretty bad. So Ive got a complete on my hands, no big deal. My question would be pertaining to the estimate. If ive got full refinish time on everything, why do they duduct for overlap. It doesnt make any sense to me, if theres full paint time and full clear time per panel wheres the overlap? Im not blending anything, so im a tad confused. I can see them deducting if theres a blend panel but theres not. I cant seem to get a strait answer out of anybody on this issue. I do realize theres nothing I can do about it and Im gonna have to live with it, Im just cerious. There deducting -0.4 per panel. I know its not alot of time, but they add up by the end of the pay period.
so whats the final bill u are gonna get ???? an are they capping ur mats???
Grab an estimating guide and read the P-pages. It will really help you understand how estimates are and should be written.The paint time per panel includes not only sanding, cleaning, prepping but also mixing color, putting it in the gun, cleaning the gun, etc. since some things you are only doing once while painting the car ( you dont mix up new color for each panel right?) they are considered overlap operations. Adjacent major panels get .4 deducted and non-adjacent major panels get .2 deducted. Its the same deduction that is taken if you just replaced a fender, door and blended the 1/4.
The real question to ask is why is it ok to deduct time for a blend panel. does it really only take 1/2 the time to prep it, tape it and paint it as a full panel paint wouldNot sure about the final bill, and dunno about capping materials. Im just a painter, my dad handles all the ofiice work, and trying to get a strait answer outa him makes me want to shoot myself in the face!
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[quote=”bondomerchant” post=17058]uh oh sounds like ya need ta get maaco:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :welc[/quote]
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u getting time for featheredge fill an block on that bid???
I would make sure to push the feather edge prime and block on that job. The cost of primer ads up fast. As far as the overlap…its probably right. Sometimes they try to get me on bumper covers. I dont think there should be any overlap on a bumper or any part that has to be painted off the car.
[quote=”ding” post=17056]Grab an estimating guide and read the P-pages. It will really help you understand how estimates are and should be written.The paint time per panel includes not only sanding, cleaning, prepping but also mixing color, putting it in the gun, cleaning the gun, etc. since some things you are only doing once while painting the car ( you dont mix up new color for each panel right?) they are considered overlap operations. Adjacent major panels get .4 deducted and non-adjacent major panels get .2 deducted. Its the same deduction that is taken if you just replaced a fender, door and blended the 1/4.
The real question to ask is why is it ok to deduct time for a blend panel. does it really only take 1/2 the time to prep it, tape it and paint it as a full panel paint would[/quote]Exactly, look up the Mitchell P-Pages (or similar info for whatever estimating system you are using). The time is fair.
Any feathering/priming/blocking etc is additional work. Are you paid for this, or is there a bodyman or prepper doing this portion?
Generally clearcoat is always capped at 2.5 hours (for major panels, any non major panels are added on top). Again, if you read the P-pages you will understand that the time is more than fair for the included operations…unfortunately many of us perfrom un-included operations for no (or minimal) charges.
No block and fill time. They had 0.5 for repair on every panel which was ridiculous! after the adjuster came out we got 2.0 per panel repair time, which is perfect, that includes feather, prime and block. I was just curious on the -0.4 deducted for overlap. but you guys answered that and it makes sense to me now. :cheers
it always seem like when an adjuster walks in your door they always are operating off of a different estimating system, so at our shop we have acquired the p-pages for all the systems and we are now more prepared for them when they start talking about there p-pages ,we have copies and have them ready when issues arise …my advice is to know your p-pages well and to document everything you do …if you do it ..charge for it …i also recommend joining your state auto body association there is strength in numbers and a wealth of information available from people in your same situations……:weights
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