It’s washing off!
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Good Day All
I bought a 2001 Navigator that has all options on it including after market scratches and a dent in a door..The hood however was pristine except for a couple of chips the size of a pin head. After a month, we had very heavy rain for 2 days. After driving for ten minutes all the rain drops were gone but I noticed some 20 dull/dark spots a little smaller than a dime that get larger every time it rains. As the spots have gotten larger, you can see where the clear coat was scratched a little bit probably with a nail or ice pick. I’m thinking hail or acorn damage. The paint code is Ford BQ, light parchment gold metallic, spots are a darker platinum color. The old owner was in upstate New York.
I don’t know what was done nor why it was done. I bought it from a dealer. Auto painter saw 2 spots that are probably bird droppings. The spots I’m talking about don’t look anything like that nor are they deteriorating like the spots so that’s an entirely different issue. My thought was hail or acorn damage. The painter ruled that out because it is a fiberglass hood. I’m still thinking that it is a possibility however. He also suggested tree sap. So what I want to know is possible causes? Is there a way to stop it from spreading? What could have been applied that is now washing off so suddenly. Is clear coat washing off as well as the paint and or filler underneath that was used for the repairs?. Is it possible that a wax or sealer was applied and that is what’s washing off? Will using a liquid wax stop the spread. The paint man wants a thousand dollars to strip it and repaint. Thanking all in advance for any ideas you may have. (have been unable to get decent pics, but will keep trying)Is it possible to see some pics?
Thank you for looking.I am trying to get some pics but so far I’m having issues, too much glare I suspect. Any tips on that as well?
[quote=”hjjackson” post=33857]Thank you for looking.I am trying to get some pics but so far I’m having issues, too much glare I suspect. Any tips on that as well?[/quote]
Do you have a camera with a Macro setting?
what your going ta find is they are where they bond the top of the hood to the bottom get it under some florescent lights an you will see em all the way across the hood its sorta a problem with those plastic hoods as the part ages they show more an more fiberglass will do the same thing with anything that touches the back side they where there when ya got the rig ya probably just never noticed em :pcorn:
I waas able to get some photos. Need to figure out how to upload them upload
They were definitely not there when I bought it. They continue to deteriorate too quickly and randomly to be a normal part of aging
Photobucket works pretty good.
That’s a bit of a mess eh.. Looks like multiple defects there, some blistering, could have pushed it outside before it was fully cured, might have gotten wet, could have trapped some moisture, some contamination during the curing process perhaps. It needs some attention for sure..perhaps a repaint.
[quote=”Charlie” post=33877]That’s a bit of a mess eh.. Looks like multiple defects there, some blistering, could have pushed it outside before it was fully cured, might have gotten wet, could have trapped some moisture, some contamination during the curing process perhaps. It needs some attention for sure..perhaps a repaint.[/quote]
Those things may address the spots, but not the scratches under the spots. I don’t really know about basecoat/clearcoat. Is it possible the dark spots are basecoat that lightens when covered by clearcoat or some other coating or has basecoat worn off exposing filler or spot putty used to fix the scratches? Given I know nothing about what’s going on, it seems logical that something is washing/wearing off. I see references to glazes, sealants, waxes, etc. Given the weather has gotten cold, what type of coating should I use to stop/try to stop the deterioration until I can affect some type of repair?
Thank You Charlie. I do appreciate your input
Just a thought but it seems to react as basecoat , maybe the car has been color sanded and polished and they went thru the clearcoat , that will give you the same sort of behaviour as what you got there…………………
I believe some of the scratches could be sanded out. However I have 2 of the spots that seem to have a bit of a depression. I believe I am now seeing this issue on other parts of the truck as well. So the bigger issue is what can I put on it to stop the spread. I have this stuff but i need to hear your reccomendations if you will
Widow Wax WW16-01 Thin-Film Polymer Coating; “that cleans shines, protects”Consumer Reports reccomends Nu Finisf. but I need your guidance
Whatever it is it looks like it is coming from underneath(bleed through) and I dont think you will be able to seal it of with a wax or polymer. To me it is a $trip and repaint $$$$$$$$$$$$ :sick:
This is rapidly deteriorating. It was either 40 or 43 days after I purchased it that the spots appeared. We had heavy heavy rain for 1 day, then clear for 3 days then it rained again for 3 days in a row, then daily thunderstorms. Every day it rained, it was noticeably worse. I did try an umbrella but it didn’t help
I sanded a couple of the smallest spots out and the scratches beneath the spot as well using 1000 grit wet, then hit it with 3M polishing compound and they were gone. I sanded the area between the 2 spots and applied the widow wax stuff, it brought up a shine and the color match is near perfect. I went back to it a couple of hours later and was able to see a trace of the scratches, finer than a human hair. I hit it gently, 1000 grit maybe ten passes and it broke thru to primer or fiberglass. There is a dimple where the spots were so it looks like acorn or hail damage was repaired by scratching the clear coat with a nail or ice pick (for adhesion?) and then applying something to fill the depression. I’ll have to live with some of the scratches so as not to damage the clearcoat but the scratches are less noticable So what would my options be to level it
Build up with multiple coasts of filler primer, then base then clear
Multiple coats of base to fill it then clear
Putty or Bondo, Base, clear
Touch up paint that does not need clear coat factory touch up (depending on color match)
Mix clear and base, then apply it.
What is the max grit I can use to promote adhesion in the dimple, then around the dimple. Say 400 in then 1000 around?
As far as a final step, can I use something like the products below over the sanded, dull clear and be done with it or do I have to re-clear over the repairs? There is a small area where scratches may have gone thru the clear.
Widow Wax WW16-01 Thin-Film Polymer Coating; “that cleans shines, protects”
Consumer Reports recommends Nu Finish. but I need your guidance
REJEX SURFACE POLYMER TREATMENT http://www.pilotshop.com/rejex-surface-polymer-treatment-p-2154.htmlSorry this is a book, hopefully this will be the last chapter. And thank you for your assistance
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