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sure. is that supposed to be some type of water only clear? my neighbor here uses over solvent almost every day at their training center.:unsure:
I’ve been told that 250 doesnt have to molecules in it that keeps it open so the tail solvents can escape
I’ve heard that it will delaminate if used over solvent baseIt says right on the can for use on WATERBORNE ONLY.Everyone I have ever talked to from akzo says no,including all the guys at the training center here .
So you are saying that the Euro clear is the same as 250?Isn’t that the cheap clear that was designed for cheaper work,I’m sure that’s what was said on your forum at one time.You must have had a bad batch or mixed it wrong,superior is hard as a rock the next day whether it was baked or air dry,it will not mark,so to soft to polish is not right.I know another sikkens painter who has used euro clear and superior and his opinion was different than yours.I tried a half gallon of the universal clear and I wasn’t a fan,it was to fast for my booth,and trust me I know how to get around a car fast enough to keep it wet,but this stuff was fast even with a 1.4 3000rp wide open.For us up here in canuckville it is well over $200 for a universal kit,takes 3 days to get it and they tell you it is the best ever….but they won’t let you try it.I know I can be a Dik sometimes but I know I’m not the only painter that Barry has rubbed the wrong way………..keep it open!! thats gotta be one of the slowest clears i have ever used. that stuff stays wet forever and i was using the fast. i would thing if that were true then the faster a clear flashed off dry the more chance it would have for delam. what about all these production clears? surely they would be lpeeling in sheets. not saying your wrong, i really have no idea. that reasoning sounds extremely fishy to me. i can tell you that my neighbor being the sikkens rep and teacher at the training center here sells it to shops using solvent or water, doesn’t matter and he used it on his own harley a few years back which was black solvent base and it still looks great. btw, i know nothing of the history of this clear but when he dropped this off to me he said that it had either just been reformulated or recently done or something. the stuff i am using is a 2:1 mix. speed is set by the clear and only one hardener. is that what all you guys are using? apparently it used to have some type of odd mix ratio or something.
Superior 250 is mixed 3:2:1…….no wonder it stayed soft.Your rep is doing everything different than what they do up here.
[quote=”Jayson M” post=17842]It says right on the can for use on WATERBORNE ONLY.Everyone I have ever talked to from akzo says no,including all the guys at the training center here .
So you are saying that the Euro clear is the same as 250?Isn’t that the cheap clear that was designed for cheaper work,I’m sure that’s what was said on your forum at one time.You must have had a bad batch or mixed it wrong,superior is hard as a rock the next day whether it was baked or air dry,it will not mark,so to soft to polish is not right.I know another sikkens painter who has used euro clear and superior and his opinion was different than yours.I tried a half gallon of the universal clear and I wasn’t a fan,it was to fast for my booth,and trust me I know how to get around a car fast enough to keep it wet,but this stuff was fast even with a 1.4 3000rp wide open.For us up here in canuckville it is well over $200 for a universal kit,takes 3 days to get it and they tell you it is the best ever….but they won’t let you try it.I know I can be a Dik sometimes but I know I’m not the only painter that Barry has rubbed the wrong way………..[/quote]jay i will say you are right on that. one thing about most spi clears is that they are fast as hell. i’ve been breaking barry’s balls about that for some time so now they have finally come out with some very slow activators for the clears. the euro isn’t their economy clear but its reffered to as a bodyshop type clear simply because it performs more like many of the clears from the big names. basically its not really meant for a resto shop who is usually not spraying in a 100k booth. the euro if mixed a 1/2 part reduction is nice, thick, syrup like and is much slower so in a high flow booth you can do something with it. if you reduce it down 1 part or more then obviously you cut the solids down.
ahh yes that is apparently the old stuff. i guess what i have here is the new reformulated stuff. i guess you will see it sooner or later. apparently they designed some fancy mixing/dispensing system for it as well. being 2:1 this thing pumps the clear and activator up through hoses in the 2:1 rato and mixes it. your supposed to just be able to open a valve or put a mixing cup under there and it just squirts out mixed clear. from his description it sounded like a water dispenser on the front of a fridge. kinda goofy but probably nice. this stuff doesn’t say anything about waterborne on the can and i dont have a tech sheet.
Interesting thread, :whistle:
now if u guys would quit using that sikkens cheap clear and switch over to some upol clear all problems would be solved:P
Jim, are you using this
[url=http://www.globalsafetynet.com/akzonobel/pdfs/akzo_356_english.pdf]Autoclear PC[/url]
If so this isn’t Superior 250. I have heard it is a very nice clear though. Superior 250 will be made for the PC unit but I don’t think they have it now. I have seen the PC unit in person and it is a very cool idea. They are planning on leasing them to shops for $1.
Superior will delam over solvent. My rep said he has seen it.
It makes sense now Jim,we are talking about two different clears.I think you are talking about autoclear lv exclusive,and we are talking about Superior 250,two different animals and superior won’t be going away anytime soon. :stoned
I was told that keystone has a clear that just blows any sikkens clear away. of course it would probably blow away any spi clear as well
I still dont think anything can compete with acme though :pcorn:time for a group hug?
:rofl[quote=”Ben” post=17864]time for a group hug?
:rofl[/quote]You would like that wouldnt you Ben :whistle:
:rofl :rofl :rofl :roflAnd you are going right in the middle old brokeback :clappy
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