Lesonal Pro-Air
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no man, if you guys are using the 3:2:1 stuff we are talking about 2 different clears but they are both the superior 250. it says superior 250 right on the label. hardener has a red cap clear has a blue. i am guessing color coded for the mixing unit. maybe they simply are reformulating it in a easier ratio to work in the machine and maybe they made it compatiable with solvent or water, i am just guessing their reasons, who knows really. the stuff i have here i was told is their new reformulated version. hell, for all i know its not even released yet. maybe he chose me as a gunnea pig!:whistle: next time you guys talk to your sikkens rep ask if they know anything about it. when you guys eventually see this stuff, after this thread i would be interested in seeing how you guys like new vs old and what the differences are. maybe i’ll see if i can get jeff on his cell tomorrow and get the full scoop. i am really not too familiar with any akzo products other than what he drops off to me once in a while to try out so the info i can offer is a bit limited.
[quote=”Jayson M” post=17866]And you are going right in the middle old brokeback :clappy[/quote]
like the creamy white centre of an Oreo cookie :lol1
alright you guys are freakin me out!!
So the stuff you have, Jim, is 2.1 VOC?
[quote=”jim c” post=17868]no man, if you guys are using the 3:2:1 stuff we are talking about 2 different clears but they are both the superior 250. it says superior 250 right on the label. hardener has a red cap clear has a blue. i am guessing color coded for the mixing unit. maybe they simply are reformulating it in a easier ratio to work in the machine and maybe they made it compatiable with solvent or water, i am just guessing their reasons, who knows really. the stuff i have here i was told is their new reformulated version. hell, for all i know its not even released yet. maybe he chose me as a gunnea pig!:whistle: next time you guys talk to your sikkens rep ask if they know anything about it. when you guys eventually see this stuff, after this thread i would be interested in seeing how you guys like new vs old and what the differences are. maybe i’ll see if i can get jeff on his cell tomorrow and get the full scoop. i am really not too familiar with any akzo products other than what he drops off to me once in a while to try out so the info i can offer is a bit limited.[/quote]
I know they are coming out with 250 for the pc machine so what you have is probably test material. Pretty cool.
I say acme all the way guys!:rofl Hey Ryan, Could you post a PDS for the Pro Air?
:lol1
You guys got ol’ jim to try any of the Acme stuff yet?
ok here you go. ben it says real small on the back of the can that its 2.0voc. not sure if your guys labels look like this or not. ones i saw online had a red stripe around the top not yellow. i looked all over the label and it says nothing about waterborne. btw, i just ran down the road, in the snow in my sweats and a t-shirt to get this pic and look this *** up!!
You lucky bastard, that’s test material! It isn’t out yet. I have heard about it though.
[quote=”ryanbrown999″ post=17886]You lucky bastard, that’s test material! It isn’t out yet. I have heard about it though.[/quote]
dont know how lucky he is. he said it sucked :rofl :rofl :rofl
well compared to SPI that is :pcorn:Wow that must be some brand new stuff that you got to test,that is cool,thanks for posting that.I will ask the next time I see a rep,or maybe I will call the training center.I wonder if that will replace energy pro 250??
[quote=”ding” post=17887][quote=”ryanbrown999″ post=17886]You lucky bastard, that’s test material! It isn’t out yet. I have heard about it though.[/quote]
dont know how lucky he is. he said it sucked :rofl :rofl :rofl
well compared to SPI that is :pcorn:[/quote]:rofl ding you really like to keep that fire burnin!! i said no such thing. i said it sucked to buff!! well atleast that picture cleared up a bunch of things. i guess it was worth freezin my nuts off for a few minutes anyway.
I asked my paint rep. about this clearcoat after I read about it in one of the trade magazines and he said he had heard of it but has not had a chance to use it yet. According to the mag. article it was designed for no bake enviroment.
i just talked to my neighbor who gave me the clear. ok according to him, the clear is already out and is available but might not be through every jobber….yet. i guess it will filter through their network sooner or later. both the new and old stuff is considered one of their scratch resistant clears and contains silicon oxide which is why its so hard to buff out. can be used air dry but its very slow. works much better as a baking clear. this is also why i can fingernail it 2-3 days later this time of year. now as far as the waterborne thing is concerned, both this and the original 250, here atleast, is sold to shops who use solvent all day long. it was designed to work over water but no reason you cant use it over solvent at all. they have tons of shops that have been using it over solvent on a daily basis since they came out with the stuff and he has never seen a single delam issue. seems to be the opposite of what you guys have heard but then again he has worked for the company for 27 years and teaches at their training center so who knows. don’t kill the messenger, i am just relaying what i was told.
Its funny how different reps say different things, around these parts (Chicago) they are saying no way to putting it over solvent base as it will peel. We were told this numerous times at both the in house training and at their training center in Chicago. The Chicago tech rep (Mike Brown Jr. )is now our branch manager, so I can pick his brain on more of this during the week when I see him..
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