Matrix AG-40
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This site was recommended by another member. Just starting to get to know it. Question about AG-40 Autoglas on a complete(68 Camaro). First time using this product. Temp today was 85-87. Used slow catalyst with 1 oz of DT 885 per cup. SATA RP, 1.3 all wide open, 27psi, approx 4.5″ from surface, about 65% overlap. Non commercial, filtered crossdraft, excellent airflow. This product did not flow well and did not melt in at the starting point. Dry as a bone. I’m unsure if cocktailing slow with extra slow, or extra slow alone will make a big difference. Or just shoot it early before temp increases. Also don’t know if reducing more than I did will cause excessive dieback and possible popping.
Sikkens rep called today to discuss other products and stated this Matrix clear does not have the open time other clears do. He made two other product recommendations. I have to reclear anyway because of a suit malfunction on the fender and two unsatisfactory spots, so flowcoats are next.
Any recommendations for increasing AG-40’s performance? At this point I may just shoot 2021 for the flowcoats only because I used it often. I’ve been out of collison and production painting for years. Only do completes once in a while. I shoot bikes and trike bodies primarily now. Controlling AG-40 on a trike body would be no problem as I use other Euro HS 2:1 clears on them. Thanks for any assistance.
Just use the extra slow Scott,if its like the AG40LV it sets up fast,doing a front end with slow is a challenge at 80F.I did talk to a matrix rep and he said 5% reducer would be ok.So you could try the extra slow,and add 5% to slow it down more or just use 2021.Hope it works out for ya….
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I would try the extra slow hardener,if its like ag40lv it is fast.I did ask a matrix rep and he said 5% would be ok.Hope it works out for ya….ya, Slow is pretty fast for a complete. Havent had a chance to use the extra slow yet, but i’m sure it’ll help
Be carefull, the stuff does like to pop very easily as is…
[quote=”smooth” post=26830]Be carefull, the stuff does like to pop very easily as is…[/quote]
Honestly, never had ag40 pop on me. not even after banging 3 coats on a hood and baking it :p
but, i’ve never reduced it either :whistle:Thanks for the responses. Extra slow would have to be dramitically different from the slow to make this complete work. I only want to shoot this one more time. I was not expecting this clear to lock up so fast. Not opposed to using another clear at this point. Not sure how much weight this carries, but the Sikkens rep said with a lot of air movement that’s the way the Matrix clear is, and worse yet with the heat.
Well if your more comfortable using something else, then thats what I would do. Trying new products on a complete isnt the wisest thing to do. Trust me, I know :blush:
[quote=”smooth” post=26830]Be carefull, the stuff does like to pop very easily as is…[/quote]
I have never had it pop on me either :unsure:
What other products did he suggest?Hopefully not utech 4.0 or proair…I hammered the parts not mounted on the car and the AG did not pop. Matrix claims AG is like Transtar Euro. I’ve shot a lot of Transtar and hammered it too with no issues. Unreduced and reduced.
[quote=”Jayson M” post=26834][quote=”smooth” post=26830]Be carefull, the stuff does like to pop very easily as is…[/quote]
I have never had it pop on me either :unsure:
What other products did he suggest?Hopefully not utech 4.0 or proair…[/quote]U-TECH MS, Keystone Euro amd Keystone Overall. He mentioned ProAir but I was told by someone it would not suit my needs. I have no experience with Keystone products. He did say his Euro would not lock up as fast as AG and also said the Overall was good. Have not researched the two yet. Supposed to come next week so I can try a couple products.
[quote=”ScottB” post=26836][quote=”Jayson M” post=26834][quote=”smooth” post=26830]Be carefull, the stuff does like to pop very easily as is…[/quote]
I have never had it pop on me either :unsure:
What other products did he suggest?Hopefully not utech 4.0 or proair…[/quote]U-TECH MS, Keystone Euro amd Keystone Overall. He mentioned ProAir but I was told by someone it would not suit my needs. I have no experience with Keystone products. He did say his Euro would not lock up as fast as AG and also said the Overall was good. Have not researched the two yet. Supposed to come next week so I can try a couple products.[/quote]
Does your Sikkens rep work for LKQ by chance?
I’m guessing that since your doing a complete on a 68 camaro you are wanting it to look pretty nice after the flow coat? Why not stick to the 2021 if you have experience spraying it? My first choice of clear for a nice job wouldn’t have a Keystone label on it.
What are your spraying conditions? Is there a certain cost you are trying to stay at for the product?
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Does your Sikkens rep work for LKQ by chance?[/quote]
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[quote=”ryan999″ post=26837][quote=”ScottB” post=26836][quote=”Jayson M” post=26834][quote=”smooth” post=26830]Be carefull, the stuff does like to pop very easily as is…[/quote]
I have never had it pop on me either :unsure:
What other products did he suggest?Hopefully not utech 4.0 or proair…[/quote]U-TECH MS, Keystone Euro amd Keystone Overall. He mentioned ProAir but I was told by someone it would not suit my needs. I have no experience with Keystone products. He did say his Euro would not lock up as fast as AG and also said the Overall was good. Have not researched the two yet. Supposed to come next week so I can try a couple products.[/quote]
Does your Sikkens rep work for LKQ by chance?
I’m guessing that since your doing a complete on a 68 camaro you are wanting it to look pretty nice after the flow coat? Why not stick to the 2021 if you have experience spraying it? My first choice of clear for a nice job wouldn’t have a Keystone label on it.
What are your spraying conditions? Is there a certain cost you are trying to stay at for the product?[/quote]
Yes. When I first contacted Sikkens over a year ago, the original rep only discussed Sikkens products. Fast forward: Different rep and now other products are being promoted. Same intitial contact number got re-routed numerous times. It’s obvious what he wants to sell by what his recommendations are. I let him talk so I could figure out what his angle was.
Not a downdraft. 500 sq ft homemade filtered intake crossdraft, excellent exhaust, don’t know CFM. Overspray clears quickly. CamAir filter, 3/8″ hose. Nothing in area but item being sprayed. This is not a battle zone. I’ve seen better designed and equipped booths than mine on this and other sites and I’ve seen worse. 20 years ago we built a downdraft that worked perfectly. Completes are no longer my primary work, only bi-yearly.
I believe I will use the 2021 now. Unsure if using extra slow in AG is a guarantee. I was unaware there would be such a dramatic difference with the AG. It was recommended by more than one person and I was interested in trying it. As was already stated, it may not have been the wisest decision, but non action would not provide any knowledge. If I shot a bike first I would have known how AG performed. The Camaro has a budget but I’m not throwing garbage on it. Price difference between AG and 2021 or another clear was not a determining factor. New product experience was. I left the collision business for a long time and then re-entered painting, and more work is required to acquire product knowledge. It’s easy to stay on top of things when you do it all day everyday for twenty years and never leave. When I was in the booth years ago everyday it was different than now when i’m not. My new field of art and airbrushing requires a great deal of research and constant devotion as well. What KB size does this site prefer for photo posting? Thanks again to all for advice provided.
The keystone euro is pretty decent. Sprays nice and looks nice. Haven’t used it enough to say anymore than that. I would put it in the same category with AG-40. You sure he is a sikkens rep or an lkq salesman? 😛
Keystone is made by Cumberland. They specialize in private labeling. Believe they make some products for transtar also…
My lkq guy is a good guy…he worked for the sikkens store before the take over…but would hardly take any recommendations from him to heart.
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