ND vs Hutchins
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my snap on DA is my go to DA for everything (except striping) body to detailing I really like it and have been giving it a heavy beating for the past 7 years and she still hums like a dream I broke the muffler on it once but that was my fault and I’m fairly sure that was covered under warranty anyways…but its pretty pricey ….300$ I think but if your an apprentice you get 35-50% off….3M sanders here in ON are about 80$ and they are reasonable.. they feel kinda cheap in my hand though…and the “throw” is important too don’t choose the wrong one 3/16 is my choice Mike K
Hutchins is my go to for body work, damn thing wont die =)… I have a Dynabrade 3/32 for polishing. Pretty much just use it with 3000grt
[quote=”BadSon23″ post=25239]The 3/16 throw is for all paint work. All it does is help not make little swirl sand scratches. Da’s with this shorter throw are said to be painters da’s. So you say you want a glass surfaces and your not gonna use a da to color sand…. I guess you better learn how to block wet sand really good then. Do you know what color sand means? Just a question. I’m not a confronting you.[/quote]
I hand wet sand clear and base imperfections, I’ve never used a DA to do so. And no I’m not really sure what the definitive color Sanding definition is. I always thought it was the final Sanding stage, before buffing and polish. I’m still learning not a pro yet haha
Ok, I ordered the silver supreme dynabrade, with the 3/16 throw. The main use will be for Sanding bondo, or putty and panels.
It’s been a while since I last posted here. I counted the other day and I have 11 DA/orbital sanders. I have 4 of the newer style national Detroit DA’s, a couple of the older style ND DAQ’s, Dynabrade, Sioux, old style Chicago Pneumatic, one composite Chicago Pneumatic made in France, Ingersoll Rand, 2 ND DA 900 mud hogs, and a Snap PS200 mud hog.
I never cared for the Hutchins because they were heavy, top heavy (they would flop over easy on a verticle panel). They were well made and lasted a long time but they are old dated technology. They are still good sanders if that’s what you’re used to and like. Kind of like the older style National Detroit DA’s and DAQ’s. Good sanders if that is what you’re used to and like. There are newer technology better designed sanders on the market today that are lighter to handle, don’t jump around on the panel like the older DA’s, most don’t require the operator to add oil and they last a LONG time. I am used to the older style National Detroit DAQ’s so my personal preference for festher edging paint and working small spots of filler is the newer National Detroit’s EZQ and EQLS which run a lot smoother than the older style DAQ’s but still have the same ergonomic feel(aka they have a handle and usually used two handed which I like the control “feel” that offers). They don’t work worth a darn for finish sanding a clearcoat in preparation to wheel out and polish. THAT is where the Dynabrade/Airvantage sanders come in. Their main claim to fame is for very fine sanding as in clearcoat to cut and buff. They CAN be used to feather edge paint and work filler but I think the National Detroit EZQ and EZLS are better suited for that operation.
A whole book could be written on the DA/orbital sanders on the market, what each one is best suited for etc etc.
Just keep this in mind – the shorter the throw (eliptical orbit like 3/32″ is for fine sanding like in clearcoat cut and buff) but they don’t work well for sanding filler and feather edging). The 3/16″ orbit/throw work better for feather edging and sanding filler but aren’t well suited for clearcoat cut and buff.
One last thing. The DA stands for Dual Action while most orbital palm sanders are are single action random orbital sanders. Where the dual action comes in for the regular DA’s is the operator can lock the spindle on a DA causing it to sand much more aggressively like for stripping relatively small areas of paint much faster than a random oribtal palm type sander.
This is one of those subjects where a newby is looking for the best sander for the buck and the more they learn the more complicated the decision becomes. There are a lot of sanders out there that do really good jobs of doing one thing while others do a good job doing something else but there is no sander out there that does a good job at everything. Like any other tool purchase you have to decide what YOU want out of that tool and buy accordingly. Realistically you should have a minimum of two DA/orbital sanders and preferably three or four.
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[quote=”smooth” post=25252][quote=”Phil V” post=25249]It’s been a while since I last posted here.
Welcome Phil V, im glad you could join us. Its a pleasure to have someone with the class and wisdom like yourself to contribute here. :rock[/quote]
So what did it really say before you edited it :whistle: cause thats not something that smooth would post :pcorn:I’m sold on Dynabrade after sampling several at the tools at the last SEMA show. What boggles my mind is how many lines they have! Every possible option for every imaginable application in every industry.
I think my next sander, as my ol’ Hutchins blue is pretty old, will be the Dynabrade 69028 – Silver Supreme self-vac sander, 6″, 3/16″ orbit. I’ll get a mirka pad with a billion holes, and abranet abrasives. NO DUST :rock
I would say Dynabrade first and i have used a Mirka Bulldog to good effect as well
While I own all three brands, here’s my opinion.
National Detroit:
Solid tool
Powerful
Bit o vibration
Easy to repair if needed.Dynabrade:
Light
Inexpensive
Easy to reapirHutchins:
Reliable (after 15+ years not one repair needed)
Powerful
Bit quieter
Made right here in sunny socal by a family business (a really big plus for me)
The new 500/600 series are looking like more of the same
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