Noob question…help guys!
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I know what i am asking might sound dumb to you guys but im here to learn from everybody! and hopefully you guys can give me some good advice! i have a friend who has a 2000 Toyota celica that wants a color change. but heres the thing, he wants to go from the white he was to another white!! its not the same white. the car also has some blue graphics painted,blue door handles,blue side skirts he wants all white as well. basically he wants for the blue paint to get covered and the whole car to be white. now my question is, whats the best method to attack this task? as far as covering the blue graphics that are painted, would a sealer or primer be suitable for covering this? and as far the white, since its going to have a different white, should i cover the white with sealer and then spray the other white? sorry for not providing pics guys but hopefully from my explanation you get the idea! help guys! :rock
Heck I would sand the graphics smooth (no tape edges if there are any ) then sand the rest down with 220-320 then White sealer whole car (Gray sealer may hide better) then (if there is no other work to be done that is )
go ahead and sand the sealer for good base for new color . :kofee :chair boy that sounds way to easy throw in a couple problems along the way and it should be good :stonedwe will see what other suggestions others may have
you might think about using a gray primer/sealer. that way you can buzz the old finish down real quick on a DA, spray and block the primer coat down. base right over that. no extra steps.
You want a grey sealer if you are painting white. If you seal white you may end up missing some spots due to not being able to tell the sealer from the base.
[quote=”Matrix Paint Systems” post=17555]You want a grey sealer if you are painting white. If you seal white you may end up missing some spots due to not being able to tell the sealer from the base.[/quote]
good point, u can also use a white sealer and add a drop of black to give it an off white color. i recently used a white transtar sealer and it was a packaged a bit off white but saved me tremendous amount of color, too dark a sealer and ur color ends up looking off white too
its a good idea to finish off the areas of body work with primer and sand and then coat the entire car with sealer to give it uniformity since its a complete respray.
Me personally I would never use a grey sealer on a white car unless it was a very very light grey. Why fight coverage and add additional material costs. A few drops of black to it like Mocoke said would be fine. I will add a few drops of yellow and black to mine just to improve coverage a little as white sealer usually has limited opacity over dark colors.
[quote=”ryanbrown999″ post=17558]Me personally I would never use a grey sealer on a white car unless it was a very very light grey. Why fight coverage and add additional material costs. [/quote]
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I’d also be very careful making sure there is no paint lines left behind from the blue graphic, you don’t want that ghosting on you. If there is a predominant paint line on the graphic you may want to consider priming. If it’s something thats been recleared and buried you should be ok
Sounds like some good points so far.
In regards to the sealer, I would probably want to finish sanding with 400-500 before sealing to ensure proper coverage of sand scratches. Read the tech sheets for your products before you decide…
I also agree with using a white sealer. Just make sure you have enough coats for coverage and spray evenly…whites don’t cover well, poor opacity, so watch as you apply. The tendancy is to put a lot on at once, instead, do lighter coats that fast a little faster and apply as many as needed. I do recommend doing a spray out card if you aren’t completely sure.
[quote=”Matrix Paint Systems” post=17555]You want a grey sealer if you are painting white. If you seal white you may end up missing some spots due to not being able to tell the sealer from the base.[/quote]
Yes make sure it is a very light grey or make your sealer an off white as indicated by a few others. :cheers
sounds like all great advice! im going to be doing some bodywork on it so either way im going to use primer. now my question is, after i spray the sealer i can go ahead and spray base on top of the sealer? or do i have to wait and sand down the sealer?:blink:
[quote=”93foxcoupe” post=17572]sounds like all great advice! im going to be doing some bodywork on it so either way im going to use primer. now my question is, after i spray the sealer i can go ahead and spray base on top of the sealer? or do i have to wait and sand down the sealer?:blink:[/quote]
Sealer is intended to be used wet on wet. Primer-surfacer is meant to be sanded. Read the tech sheet for what products you are using. Most sealers need to be topcoated within a few hours (after proper flash time). Some sealers can be left for close to 1 week. Some fill well, others don’t really fill. Some lay out smoother than others…and lastly, some can be applied over burn throughs (bare metal).
If a sealer is left too long (out of the topcoat window) it has to be sanded for adhesion. Other than that, the only reasons to sand sealer are to smooth it out (if it is not a smooth sealer and you are not happy with it) or to remove imperfections (like dust nibs, minor scratches etc)…
I highly recommend researching the product that will suit your needs. And don’t go cheap!!!
:cheers
I hear Martin Manure makes a good sealer
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[quote=”Ben” post=17575][quote=”93foxcoupe” post=17572]sounds like all great advice! im going to be doing some bodywork on it so either way im going to use primer. now my question is, after i spray the sealer i can go ahead and spray base on top of the sealer? or do i have to wait and sand down the sealer?:blink:[/quote]
Sealer is intended to be used wet on wet. Primer-surfacer is meant to be sanded. Read the tech sheet for what products you are using. Most sealers need to be topcoated within a few hours (after proper flash time). Some sealers can be left for close to 1 week. Some fill well, others don’t really fill. Some lay out smoother than others…and lastly, some can be applied over burn throughs (bare metal).
If a sealer is left too long (out of the topcoat window) it has to be sanded for adhesion. Other than that, the only reasons to sand sealer are to smooth it out (if it is not a smooth sealer and you are not happy with it) or to remove imperfections (like dust nibs, minor scratches etc)…
I highly recommend researching the product that will suit your needs. And don’t go cheap!!!
:cheers[/quote]
THANKS ALOT BEN!!! i sure will take into consideration the tips you gave me!:rock
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