PPG Deltron
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For money purposes I’ve decided to just spray my Chevrolet truck back the factory Olympic white. I called on some prices today and was quoted $125 a qt for Spies Hecker, $90 a qt for Dupont Chromabase and about the same for Diamont. Nason came in at $30 a qt. I will be doing the whole truck including jambs, under hood, back of cab, front of bed with the exception of the inside of the bed. I did see on ebay where there is someone mixing deltron basecoats in olympic white and selling them for around $100 a gallon. So far that looks like the cheapest route but I have never sprayed any PPG products. How are they as far as coverage goes? Also if I use PPG what clear would you guys recommend? Whatever I use I want it to last and keep it’s gloss so if there is another brand feel free to throw it out there.
Deltron is a nice product. It is easy to use. I would use the PPG Global 894 clear if you want a great, durable clear.
However, I do have to throw it out there… If it were mine going white, I would use a good qualit Single stage like Concept.
I have sprayed ppg deltron for about a year and a half and I mostly agree with ben. The 894 clear is far superior to any of the dc3000 dc4000 etc. One thing I will warn u on the 894 is its a little touchy. Very easy to run the fuck out of it. And it takes a long time to cure. Even with a bake cycle. If u paint ur project in seperate pieces I would highly recomend ppg global 893 clear. Much more user friendly imo.
[quote=”Ben” post=32457]Deltron is a nice product. It is easy to use. I would use the PPG Global 894 clear if you want a great, durable clear.
However, I do have to throw it out there… If it were mine going white, I would use a good qualit Single stage like Concept.[/quote]
Why would you recommend a single stage over bc/cc? Also I called a local supplier and they want $400 for a gallon of that white in the Deltron line. How could someone online be selling it for $100? Seems kinda fishy. I did check on the Concept single stage and it is $106 a qt. ChromaOne is $329/gal. Tried to get a price on ChromaPremier SS and the lady tried to tell me ChromaPremier is a bc/cc system. I finally had to tell her I guess the Dupont website is wrong and the whole tech sheet that I was looking at wasn’t real.
Single stage in the end is cheaper and easier to apply, less margin of error. In solid colours single stage looks as good or better than base/clear. A good quality urethane single stage will be as durable as base/clear. Only down side in my mind is that the uv protection won’t be as great (more so on uv sensative colours like red). But you can always do an intermix coat with clear (using what is compatible as per the tech sheet) to remedy this.
[quote=”Ben” post=32462]Single stage in the end is cheaper and easier to apply, less margin of error. In solid colours single stage looks as good or better than base/clear. A good quality urethane single stage will be as durable as base/clear. Only down side in my mind is that the uv protection won’t be as great (more so on uv sensative colours like red). But you can always do an intermix coat with clear (using what is compatible as per the tech sheet) to remedy this.[/quote] ben I haven’t messed with ppgs single stage at all, but curious if I was to do say a panel repair on a car with bccc, would it stick out single staging that panel? Always looking for better turn around
The single stage is really nice. You won’t notice a difference between the SS and B/C… Provided the colour and texture is matched just like any other paint job. When I started off, long before the low voc laws (and waterbourne), we (and probably most) shops did a lot if collision work in Single Stage. Until you take sandpaper to it, you can’t tell.
One thing to make a note of, on the work order, if they are paying for base clear, you should technically be spraying base clear.
Ya I really only want to do it on state trooper cars. Which we get a lot of. And pw1 is dead on in deltron
I’ve used the E-bay Deltron a lot with no complaints. I’ve done 3 complete cars with it; one was Ford Candy Apple Red – $800 a gallon through my normal supplier, $117 shipped to my door from E-bay.
[quote=”Neat” post=32508]I’ve used the E-bay Deltron a lot with no complaints. I’ve done 3 complete cars with it; one was Ford Candy Apple Red – $800 a gallon through my normal supplier, $117 shipped to my door from E-bay.[/quote]
That’s not really Deltron. That is way below what any supplier would pay for it.
[quote=”ryan999″ post=32509][quote=”Neat” post=32508]I’ve used the E-bay Deltron a lot with no complaints. I’ve done 3 complete cars with it; one was Ford Candy Apple Red – $800 a gallon through my normal supplier, $117 shipped to my door from E-bay.[/quote]
That’s not really Deltron. That is way below what any supplier would pay for it.[/quote]
I was thinking the same thing but some of it is from TCP Global which I don’t think could get away with selling a false product. Who knows?
Looks like my truck might get the pearl white that I wanted after all. The guy online quoted me $385 for a gallon of the base and a gallon of the pearl. If I use a while sealer should I be able to spray my entire truck with that? It’s a 2000 Silverado extended cab complete color change other than inside of bed and firewall. Local supplier quoted me $860 for the same and it would have to be the DBC because I doubt they mix that in the OMNI line.
I hadn’t ever considered that the Deltron I was buying could be counterfeit product. I’ve been getting most of it from ebay seller wbmesq, but I usually call them directly now as opposed to dinking with E-bay. It’s an auto parts store in Watertown / Canton, New York.
The red that I got from them acted like all the other Deltron I’ve used, but I’m not experienced enough to say that it was unequivocally Deltron. I was doing an entire car with it, so it’s possible that it was some mis-mixed or otherwise faulty product as far as color was concerned.
The example I gave is the greatest disparity I’ve found between E-bay and my local supplier. Another example was a green Toyota Tundra I did – Local supplier was ~$575 for a gallon of Deltron, that same seller on E-bay was ~$280. Do you guys think that is a great enough gap in price to warrant counterfeit product concerns?
I can’t recall any other exact prices off the top of my head, but it wouldn’t be abnormal for them to be 60% of my local supplier.
I’m not sure what other painters use as far as material, I’ve never been around anyone else that does this kind of thing, but to do a complete color change on a truck like that I think a gallon of DBC is on the low side of the material requirements. I just did an 87 Buick Regal in black. I put the paint on top of DP90 (a black epoxy primer / sealer) and I literally used every drop of the gallon I had. I did three coats of base color on the car, door jambs, the bumpers, and some other odds and ends. I ended up doing the passenger door twice. I’m using a Sata 4000 RP with a 1.3 tip.
Good luck!
I think you guys need to check into what exactly your supplier is charging you.IMO I think he is charging you full retail if not more($800 is ridiculous for one gallon of dbc),if you guys are painting quite a few jobs you should look into a wholesale account at your local paint supplier.This will save you big$$ in the long run….good luck :cheers
[quote=”Jayson M” post=32603]I think you guys need to check into what exactly your supplier is charging you.IMO I think he is charging you full retail if not more($800 is ridiculous for one gallon of dbc),if you guys are painting quite a few jobs you should look into a wholesale account at your local paint supplier.This will save you big$$ in the long run….good luck :cheers[/quote]
The prices I listed were for a gallon of base and a gallon of midcoat unreduced which will give me 2 gallons of each once reduced. Is that not enough? Ive never sprayed ppg myself. Always used dupont or nason. I know I used almost 2 gallons of 99k black when I sprayed it last and that was 3 coats.
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