PPG Deltron
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Whoops must have missed that :headsmack: $400 a gallon is pretty decent,you will have 4 gallons sprayable by the time your done,that is more than enough.If it was me after it is prepped and ready to go I would use a white sealer,this will cut down on ANY coverage issues,you will only need 2 coats of white as long as your technique is good then go right to your midcoat,2 coats and a drop coat and you will be fine.
[quote=”Neat” post=32602]I hadn’t ever considered that the Deltron I was buying could be counterfeit product. I’ve been getting most of it from ebay seller wbmesq, but I usually call them directly now as opposed to dinking with E-bay. It’s an auto parts store in Watertown / Canton, New York.
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Yep that’s the same guy I talked to about it.[quote=”Jayson M” post=32609]Whoops must have missed that :headsmack: $400 a gallon is pretty decent,you will have 4 gallons sprayable by the time your done,that is more than enough.If it was me after it is prepped and ready to go I would use a white sealer,this will cut down on ANY coverage issues,you will only need 2 coats of white as long as your technique is good then go right to your midcoat,2 coats and a drop coat and you will be fine.[/quote]
I will be getting 2 gallons unreduced for $385 by buying it online which is a great deal IMO. I’m actually stripping the truck down to bare metal, shooting epoxy, 2k and blocking a few times. I was for sure going to use a sealer before my color coats go on as well.
My next dilemma will be what to use for my clearcoat. I know 894 was mentioned. The local body shop here in town that uses PPG Global said check on the 2021. It will end up being a bit cheaper but I want something that is going to last and not be like trying to buff a rock later on down the road.
My next question is a clearcoat just a clearcoat? Obviously there are some companies out there that say their clear can be used over anyone’s basecoats and other say just use it with their lines of paint. Is this the case for all manufacturers? That is if you are using solvent basecoat. I know I’ve used Dupont over House of Kolor paint without any ill effects.
So your buying it online and going to get 2 gallons of unreduced dbc for $385?Like others have said I doubt you are getting dbc,more like omni mbc in a deltron can.If something is too good to be true it more than likely is,IMO I would stay away from online sales when it comes to buying paint,you really don’t know what you are going to get and good luck getting the online guy to stand behind what he sells you.
Clear coats are not all the same,generally the higher priced ones have better DOI,sprayability and will last without dieback pinching up etc.A cheap clear will look just like an expensive clear when sprayed but time is the enemy they just don’t stand up.I think 894 is nicer to spray and looks nicer than 2021,but either one will work for you.
[quote=”Neat” post=32602]I hadn’t ever considered that the Deltron I was buying could be counterfeit product. I’ve been getting most of it from ebay seller wbmesq, but I usually call them directly now as opposed to dinking with E-bay. It’s an auto parts store in Watertown / Canton, New York.
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What is the number and name of the place?
[quote=”Jayson M” post=32611]So your buying it online and going to get 2 gallons of unreduced dbc for $385?Like others have said I doubt you are getting dbc,more like omni mbc in a deltron can.If something is too good to be true it more than likely is,IMO I would stay away from online sales when it comes to buying paint,you really don’t know what you are going to get and good luck getting the online guy to stand behind what he sells you.
Clear coats are not all the same,generally the higher priced ones have better DOI,sprayability and will last without dieback pinching up etc.A cheap clear will look just like an expensive clear when sprayed but time is the enemy they just don’t stand up.I think 894 is nicer to spray and looks nicer than 2021,but either one will work for you.[/quote]
If anyone mixes PPG on here can you please look and see if WA800J can be mixed in the Omni line? I know a lot of the tri stages can’t be mixed in the Nason line is why I’m asking.
Yup.it’s avail in all the lower ppg lines.
Omni Plus, Shopline and ValuePro315-386-8148, his name is Bill.
I called and he gave me the same price over the phone. I did ask how he was able to sell it so cheap and he said he buys stuff by the truck load.
Well good luck and I hope it works out for you.As A side note unless I was there and saw him mixing it off of a deltron system I wouldn’t buy it,I don’t know of anyone who has had good luck with online sales for color,clear and primer yes.Good luck :cheers
[quote=”ding” post=32619]Yup.it’s avail in all the lower ppg lines.
Omni Plus, Shopline and ValuePro[/quote]Trying to narrow things down. What’s the difference between Omni and Omni Plus? They guy says he can mix Omni but not Omni Plus, Shopline or ValeuPro. Is that basecoat available in regular Omni?
Like I said, I’ve had good luck with it. My personal belief is that through the contact I posted, I have gotten Deltron product when that is what I’ve ordered. I don’t have any empirical proof though, just my opinion. Other than some kind of chemical analysis, I don’t know how you’d prove it beyond doubt.
I think most of the regulars on here know that I’m pretty new to this business, so before anyone reading this jumps on the online Deltron wagon, let me qualify my experience with the product:
-My first experience with Deltron, first experience ever, was with the red I mentioned earlier. Prior to this, I had painted half a dozen cars and maybe a dozen panels in Omni or Omni plus. The online Deltron that I used covered better than either of the Omni lines that I used, and I assumed it to be real deal Deltron. This paint was supplied by the customer, who purchased it off E-bay from the contact I posted earlier.
-My next Deltron job was the green truck I mentioned in this thread. This Deltron came from my local supplier. I did send a message to the E-bay guy looking for a price, and after several days he got back to me. Online was about $200 cheaper a gallon than the local guys. This Deltron behaved the same way the red online Deltron did. This adds to my opinion that the red I used was real Deltron, but again that’s just my opinion.
-From here on out I bought almost all the Deltron I’ve used from the online source in NY. I’ve done 2 more complete cars with this Deltron and had no issues.
-The car I car I am currently working on is also Deltron, but from the local CarQuest store. This product behaved the same as all the other Deltron I’ve used, regardless of where I got it from. This also makes me want to believe that the Deltron from Bill in NY is genuine. I’ve never had the Deltron from Bill do anything other what I expected it to in comparison to the local bought Deltron.
I think from this explanation, it’s pretty obvious that I’m not a seasoned pro or anything – but I feel like the differences between Omni, Omni Plus, and Deltron are readily apparent when using the product. I’ve used enough Omni or Omni Plus that I think I would recognize the difference when painting with it, but without doing a blind test to prove it, that’s just another opinion. However, this opinion is another thing that leads me to believe the Deltron I’ve been getting from NY is legit.
Right now, I have half a gallon of the online Deltron on the shelf for my next project. I want to know as much as anyone if this product is the real deal, even though I’m sure I come across like I’m advocating the use of the online stuff. If anyone knows of a way to test or verify the legitimacy of the product, I’d be happy to do it (assuming it’s not super expensive or something).
DBC and Omni smell completely different. The nose knows. :stoned
Now if I can get Neat to get out and huff some toxic fumes and let me know if they smell different 🙂
Well, despite my preconceptions and wishful thinking, it appears that I’ve been hoodwinked.
I have several partial cans of Deltron from a local supplier. They all have a similar smell. The Deltron from Bill in NY has a different odor entirely, and … wait for it… smells just like some partial cans of Omni Plus I have laying around.
Again, no chemical analysis, but to the nose it appears that I’ve had it stuck in my ass. I’ll have to do some spray outs or something with a different perspective on the paint. I would have bet almost anything that I was spraying Deltron because it seemed to cover better than the Omni I’ve used, but the smell test doesn’t agree with that.
Never used the omni plus, but the omni that I have used always smelled a little like Enamel…..
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