PPG Waterborne paint clearcoat
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We are spraying martin senour vortex and are just not happy with the clear coats available and we are looking into possibly switching paint lines to ppg. What clearcoat would be a good choice for a shop with a booth but no baking. Just looking to try some on some junk panels to see if it will work.
Thanks for the helpwhat clear ya using??
I have been spraying tc-730 over tec base (solvent) since it came out and have had really good results. When we made the switch to vortex we could no longer use it (not compatable), now I have tried ipc 15, tc 751, and tc 723. These clears seem to shrink, dive back, low gloss and we have had to buff entire panels to acheive the gloss level. So I am in the looking into other products right now. Dont really want to switch.
ya know i had the same problems with those 700 series clears so i finally just thru in the towel an quite using em :S ive been using the fc 710 on everything for over 4 yrs now an never have seen it fail holdout is phenomenal couldnt say that about the 730 731 750 or 732 always felt like it was a crapshoot with those an when they died an ya buffed em they would look great but….ya didnt wanna see em 6 weeks later :blink: :blink: cant tell ya how sick i was ta go thru the crap i did with those clears :chair
I have a gallon of that here was told to use it as a jambing clear (cheaper) what hardner would you recomend?
Thanks for the replyi use the med hardner on most repairs fh 612 that stuff really dries fast :cheer: but also keep in mind im doing all solvent here still
i just pop 2 wet coats on usally giving just enuff time ta keep from putting it all on the floor sad thing is it sure seems ta work better than there high end clear go figure
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a before shot 😉Im using sherwin CC931 CC950 and HPC15. They will die on ya really bad if you dont have a good air movement and if you get on them a little early. The key is to let them flash and flash and flash. It sucks because it slows up production but if ya let it flash you will have good results. I have not had too many problems with the 15 min clear. It seems to hold a good gloss! From what I hear about AWX and VORTEX is that you have got to get all the water out before clear. It needs more air flow than the other waters out there.
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[quote]Im using sherwin CC931 CC950 and HPC15. They will die on ya really bad if you dont have a good air movement and if you get on them a little early. The key is to let them flash and flash and flash. It sucks because it slows up production but if ya let it flash you will have good results. I have not had too many problems with the 15 min clear. It seems to hold a good gloss! From what I hear about AWX and VORTEX is that you have got to get all the water out before clear. It needs more air flow than the other waters out there.[/quote]Here in Calgary virtually all shops are using waterbourne paints and low VOC clears. I’ve personally found of the ones I’ve used that the Sherwin Williams AWX is by far the worst. I found the base a little finicky to spray and had a hrad time not mottling it. It also seemed to dry slower than others. Their clears didn’t flow well and loved to die off. I do think you can get a a very good finish, however, it takes time and a lot of skill.
As far as the PPG, the base coat seems pretty good. With adequate airflow it is possibly the fastest base I’ve sprayed (faster than the Cromax pro, but does require 1 or 2 more coats than it). The 700 clear is similar to the AWX clears, but a little better. They flow better and don’t tend to die off as much/as bad. Much more user friendly. If we could still buy it, I would definately prefer the 893/894 clears…but with a little care and attention the Envirobase 700 clears are pretty decent.
Thanks for all the replies.
I am going to order a gallon of the ppg clear and give it a try.If you are going to try another clear try sikkens superior 250,it will blow your mind how shiny and easy to spray it is. :woohoo:
Just sprayed a test fender of the fc710, I gotta admit that it went on nice and the gloss level looks good right now, we’ll check it over the weekend and see if it still shines. Have a good 4th weekend
keep us posted i bet u will be suprized at how it holds out 😉
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