Raw Plastic Refinishing
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Lild,
Most of your posts seem to be about how to take shortcuts around proven and approved methods. Everyone will take a shortcut now and again and hope it doesn’t bite them in the arse. Those that do it as their SOP’s however either don’t know any better or are just plain hacks.[b]Han wrote:[/b]
[quote]adpro = Adhesion Promoter primarily designed for raw plastics.[/quote]yeah i got it.
i do use ppg’s one choice and since they came out with it, and it’s the only way ppg will warranty raw covers. trust me. i wound not paint a raw bumper with out useing some kind of adpro.. found out a long time ago, even if you sand it with 180, it will come off.lets get a few things strait here if ya dont seal a raw cover after ya use adhesion promoter it wont peel but……. it will!!! chip easier than you want it even with hardener in the base ive seen the results :blush: we have alota gravel roads here an they sand the roads all winter long my paint manufacturer says i dont have ta seal but around here if ya dont it does rock chip alot easier than oem so get this thru your head if ya just blow a coat of sealer on it or any e-coat your work will rival the oem i even doit on used car work an crap i dont care about but theres nothing like getting that job in the shop that the last guy didnt seal :wak :wak $hit take some pride in your paintwork even the cheap ones 😉 a good urethane or epoxy sealer can make your work world class an is cheap….jmho :teach
Hm…thats right, most of you drive on dirt roads. None of my customers do
so that’s why i see no major issues or excessive chipping. Damn city boys… 😉[b]Han wrote:[/b]
[quote]Hm…thats right, most of you drive on dirt roads. None of my customers do
so that’s why i see no major issues or excessive chipping. Damn city boys… ;)[/quote]
id still seal em han its just 2 easy ta do 😉 trust meFrom another shop that refused warranty…This is what happens when you don’t seal e-coat:
[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/zsolo/Cars/2001%20C240/P1010680.jpg[/IMG]
New hood (sealed) and with a lifetime warranty:
[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/zsolo/Cars/2001%20C240/P1010733.jpg[/IMG]
🙂
thats a dandy example han 😉
B)
We are all painters here. There are flaws in paint jobs that we can see from a mile away that any regular person will never notice as long as they own their car. With that being said just because it does not come back does not mean there isn’t something wrong with it. When that customer says who fixed it and another painter happens to be looking at the job they are going to notice the flaws from shortcuts and they are going to develop an opinion on you and your work really fast. The extra 10 minutes it takes to apply a coat of sealer is well worth it in the long run. When that job comes back and you have to pay your employees to repair the failed paint job, repaint the panel for the second time for free, and your reputation at stake. Plus the time you are spending fixing a poor paint job for free is time that could be used making money. A few extra minutes and $$$$ is well worth it. Would you want a doctor to take a short cut on you while they are performing surgery on you?
look, 12 yrs. ago when we switch from dupont to ppg, the first question i ask the PPG REP. was, why don’t you have a adpr. for the base like duponts 222s? his response. we don’t need adpro. for our base to stick. plus yes they have goten of me for not useing it. and when i ask why, they tell me the same thing. then i refer back to what he told. i have ask my rep. not jober, if i really need to seal e-coat before baseing. the answer was no. and i still get my warranty from ppg if a problem does occur.
plus i don’t go around asking people who painted their car, reguardless of me noticeing a color difference or any other problem paint or body related. hell even when people who bring a car in with problems form another shop. we never ever talk another shop down. reguardless of their rep.. plus i know you guys are telling me that it doesn’t mean something is wrong with it. but agian i doubt it. we do offer a lifetime warranty. agian nothing comes back for rock chips. i just know my products. and i’ve done the same thing on my own cars. no problems.
now finally, before anyone else post about telling me to seal in the future. please don’t i have stated once or twice, that i have to now that i’m useing enviro base.[b]ding wrote:[/b]
[quote]Lild,
Most of your posts seem to be about how to take shortcuts around proven and approved methods. Everyone will take a shortcut now and again and hope it doesn’t bite them in the arse. Those that do it as their SOP’s however either don’t know any better or are just plain hacks.[/quote]i didn’t tell anyone to not seal before they base. i said that’s what i do.
i also don’t remember telling anyone to take a short cut on any kind of work being done here.
the last thing i want is some one telling me, i took the short cut you told me about and it didn’t work.[b]ding wrote:[/b]
[quote]Lild,
Most of your posts seem to be about how to take shortcuts around proven and approved methods. Everyone will take a shortcut now and again and hope it doesn’t bite them in the arse. Those that do it as their SOP’s however either don’t know any better or are just plain hacks.[/quote]i didn’t tell anyone to not seal before they base. i said that’s what i do.
i also don’t remember telling anyone to take a short cut on any kind of work being done here.
the last thing i want is some one telling me, i took the short cut you told me about and it didn’t work, and it’s your fault.
so just to put out there, do not take a short cut unless you know how to fix it the right way, if it goes wrong. and it’s up to you to take it or not. i’m not responsible for what YOU do in your repairs.Okay guys, I’m a bit confused here. Every time when I need to paint a customer’s bumper, I always apply 1-2 coats of Bulldog Adhesion Promoter on it before I apply any base coats. Whats this e-coat or sealer coat that I’m hearing about?
Have I been doing this all wrong all along? I mean, the customers never came back complaining how their paint peeled off or anything. And yea, rock chips does happen but I don’t think you can avoid those. SO whats this fuss over e-coat or sealers for bumpers?
[b]Kudos,[/b]
JayJay, raw plastic covers need an adhesion promoter and a coat of sealer. Look into the TDS sheets of whatever brand of paint your using and see what they recommend. I don’t use Bulldog so IU can’t give you much advice on it. We stick with one brand and use what that system recommends.
E-coat is an electrostatic epoxy primer that the manufacturer uses on their new parts. Sealer is used over it for better mechanical and chemical adhesion for basecoat. It also provides a bit of a cushion underneath your base to help prevent rock chips.
A properly painted car should not chip very easily at all. I have painted alot of friends and family members cars that I see alot. None of them rock chip easily at all. My Dad’s car was painted 6 years ago and I replaced the hood. After 80,000 miles it might have 2-3 chips in the hood.
[b]lild wrote:[/b]
[quote][b]ding wrote:[/b]
[quote]Lild,
Most of your posts seem to be about how to take shortcuts around proven and approved methods. Everyone will take a shortcut now and again and hope it doesn’t bite them in the arse. Those that do it as their SOP’s however either don’t know any better or are just plain hacks.[/quote]i didn’t tell anyone to not seal before they base. i said that’s what i do.
i also don’t remember telling anyone to take a short cut on any kind of work being done here.
the last thing i want is some one telling me, i took the short cut you told me about and it didn’t work.[/quote]
Just one example“i cheat at times by just filling the key marks with bondo. then prime and paint. “
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