RM ONYX How Long to Dry
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I’ve had a few guys here asking me about RM Onyx and they/i’ve heard some bad stories about drying times. After using it a while I gotta say its working fairly well, i have no idea how it compares to other lines but I just know it seems to get the job done here. Typically I dont use blowers to dry, this time I did just to see what the fastest I could spray it at and here how my job went down:
10:12 – Applied Glasurit 90-M-5 wetbed/orientation coat to the blend panels and first coat of color
10:15 – It was flashed so I added another coat, followed by a light mist coat, took 3 mins to spray.
10:23 – Checked with the sun gun and ended up applying a bit more to the inside dogleg.
10:30 – Appeared flashed and ready for clear, could press with thumb and nothing marked.
10:35 – Applied first coat of clear, finished at 10:38
10:44 – Applied second coat of clear, finished at 10:47.When jobs screw up it is such a pain to sand but when they go to plan I can get fairly good time with the paint. I dont know whats causing other peoples issues, we’ve never had a comeback that I could pin on an Onyx failure.
You can see all the pics here : [url=http://www.refinishnetwork.com/jomsocial/84-justin-jimmo/photos/photo?albumid=2#photoid=8]Ford Onyx Job[/url]
wow my solvent line isnt even that fast. i would do that job in like 3 hours if no problems are present
If I cant sand it after its flashed then it isnt dry enough. after letting it air dry for 10 minutes and then 5 minutes with the blower i was able to run sand paper over it. Whats the point if you cant fix a mistake easily
[quote=”ding” post=18980]If I cant sand it after its flashed then it isnt dry enough. after letting it air dry for 10 minutes and then 5 minutes with the blower i was able to run sand paper over it. Whats the point if you cant fix a mistake easily[/quote]
I’ve let this stuff sit overnight and it still sands like tar no matter what, it sucks hard to fix flaws in the paint. Btw I told you 73 degree’s last night, booth actually runs at 78.
hmmm we did some onyx jobs here and really little difference from diamont …. do you have air flow?…… needs air movement
They did some tests on our booth and they said it moved air well, sure that does play a pretty significant factor.
nibbing it didnt seem too bad once it was actually dry enough not to drag the paint with it
and my booth was moving 155 fpmI have never had one come back peeling or anything like that, but look at bumper covers after a year you can see every impression from bugs rocks etc. If its still soft that means its not dry and still has water in it yet.. Akzo regional rep said BASF is going to release a new clear to work w/ their waters, I guess they are having problems w/ the base not drying complete.. Makes sense since it stays soft for days. If you like the way solvent sprays,drys and sands you need to look at PPG or Akzo, their bases are both very similar.
I still miss my diamont, my rep said if you end up clearing onyx with water trapped the clear will fly off usually when your washing it before it goes. Unfortunately I don’t really have any of my own jobs I’ve sprayed with it so its hard for me to know exactly how it holds up. I see the odd repeat that I haven’t noticed any problems, haven’t really been watching that close in all honesty.
I miss my diamont too bro :hunt al gorr you suck ass
It’s good to hear you dispelling some of the myths, and maybe allaying some peoples fears about the drying times of water base.
I use DeBeer 900 series, and am very impressed by the drying times. There’s no way I could manage an average of less than 30 minutes per job without it.
[quote=”jimmo” post=18985]They did some tests on our booth and they said it moved air well, sure that does play a pretty significant factor.[/quote]
Absolutely agree buddy.
I can tell when our filters are getting ready for changing by the drying time of the base. When the filters are fresh it dries like crazy with very little need for the blowers, when they’re starting to get clogged up (thus reducing airflow) there’s a noticeable increase in drying time.
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