Sata 3000 RP1.3 help
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[b]Jayson M wrote:[/b]
[quote]Like it has been said before it really depends what kind of clear you are using,HS=more pressure,MS=less pressure.But I wouldn’t want to use anything under 28psi,[b]I think too many people think that paint has to “flow out”to look right when that is just not the case.If you have proper atomization,technique you can make clear look however you want.When you have to depend on “flow”you are adding another variable that can bite you in the ***.[/b]I really don’t think that the sata wastes material compared to other guns,and if it did just bill the customer 😉 Seriously it uses less than my devilbiss plus and sata jet90,and it is equivalent to my old rp.[/quote]Well said. I have a certain gun that can lay clear down with as nice as an RP, but I need to spray it at 40-55psi (depending on the product) and some HS products do require the “flow technique” since the older design of the gun does not allow the product to atomize as much as necessary. The gun was designed for medium sold and low solid products…
Also, in order for the HS products to flow, it needs to be “hosed” on. It is always better if you have proper atomization then you can control how much product you want to put on rather than how much product you need to put on. With that said, would anyone dare to blend a gold hood with waterborne base using an old JGA-502 when you could use a properly equiped SATA Jet 3000?
What are the pros and cons or differences and similarities of Medium Solids clear and High Solids? why would i use medium over high solids?
Sincerely,
Confused Mo lol
[b]MoCoke wrote:[/b]
[quote]What are the pros and cons or differences and similarities of Medium Solids clear and High Solids? why would i use medium over high solids?Sincerely,
Confused Mo lol[/quote]
High solids will build more milage in fewer coats, has better chemical resistance and generally hold a better gloss due to less chance of solvent entrapment.
Medium solids will spray easier.
Now this is where it gets tricky. Just because a clear says HS doesn’t mean it is a HS clear. There is no generalized amount that makes a clear HS or MS. I can make a MS clear and write high solids european clear all over the can.
HS clears will spray better with compliant(RP) style guns.
I personally like HS clears better.
[b]ryanbrown999 wrote:[/b]
[quote][b]MoCoke wrote:[/b]
[quote]What are the pros and cons or differences and similarities of Medium Solids clear and High Solids? why would i use medium over high solids?Sincerely,
Confused Mo lol[/quote]
High solids will build more milage in fewer coats, has better chemical resistance and generally hold a better gloss due to less chance of solvent entrapment.
Medium solids will spray easier.
Now this is where it gets tricky. Just because a clear says HS doesn’t mean it is a HS clear. There is no generalized amount that makes a clear HS or MS. I can make a MS clear and write high solids european clear all over the can.
HS clears will spray better with compliant(RP) style guns.
I personally like HS clears better.[/quote]
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[b]Jayson M wrote:[/b]
[quote]Man I grew up with conventional spray guns(been painting in a production shop since 86)I have a sata jet 90 and painted with one for 10 years,the speed is the same compared to a 3000rp.The fan is 12inches on a 3000 lets be realistic,an nr 2000 is not faster than an rp.As far as envirobase try sikkens autowave and you will find out what is faster.I paint in a shop with 2 downdrafts and 16 bodymen,2painters,I know all about speed :rofl But hey like I said before you can paint however ya like :pcorn:[/quote]that’s cool. every one likes their steak cooked differently. plus we can’t use sikens, under contract with ppg, and sikkens isn’t a true waterborne.
that’s a big shop. man all we got is 4 bodymen, 3 prepers, one down draft and me as the painter. i’m sure you guys must be doin, what 60 a week?Lild Sikkens is in fact a true 100% latex technology=true waterborne,been in use in europe since 1994.Envirobase and Autowave are very similar but sikkens is faster,dude you need to get your facts straight before you spread bad info 😉
[b]Jayson M wrote:[/b]
[quote]Lild Sikkens is in fact a true 100% latex technology=true waterborne,been in use in europe since 1994.Envirobase and Autowave are very similar but sikkens is faster,dude you need to get your facts straight before you spread bad info ;)[/quote]i’m only repeating what ppg told me.i was told all others are a hybird mix. so please forgive if i seem miss inform. i will have to ask them to clearify that to me. how much faster is it?ok, i see why ppg claims to be a true wb product. after reading some of your old post. why is alchol added to your product? and the shelf life is way short. ppg’s off a 90 days onced mixed. and agian how much faster? i know with proper fan set up you get a 3 mins. flash and 5 mins. just to let dry on it’s own with ppg. once agian i will ask my rep. but i would like to be prepared before i ask. i need to have my facts straight as you would say.
I have sprayed both PPG and Sikkens. They both use the same technology. I get a little faster dry times with Sikkens and also better coverage and metallic control. PPG’s is still nice though. There are other brands out there that are true waterbornes also. Most of the others are used mainly in Europe. I don’t know what your talking about by saying alcohol is added to it, it isn’t. There may be trace amounts of it in the reducer but most likely it would be because there are only a select few things that can be added to water to speed it up.
I would be rather hesitant to believe much a PPG rep was telling me about water, they all seem to be spreading mis-information and smearing the other brands. They do it in my area and I have heard about it in many others. They told me I had to clearcoat in between two-tones with Sikkens and this is simply 100% false. In fact Autowave 2-tones alot faster than PPG. PPG is the only brand that came into our shop and talked down about the other brands.
what. I always believe what a sales rep tells me. Its the gospel right :wak :wak :wak
Lets stay on track here,if you want to talk waterborne start a new thread.I certainly wouldn’t ask my sikkens rep about ppg,that is common sense :wak
[b]jim c wrote:[/b]
[quote]Well I got some more use out of my gun today. Sprayed about a gallon of spi euro clear. I mixed it a little thicker at only 1/2 part reduce and ran the psi at 25. Definitely much better as far as material usage and overspray. Still layed down really good. I guess the universal clear was just to thin for how high I had the pressure. Iwata you have to run at the max for proper atomization. Obviously with this rp you have plenty of room for adjustment.[/quote]Damn this thread has been hijacked to sh!t :huh:
Good to hear it is working out for you Jim!
[b]ding wrote:[/b]
[quote]what. I always believe what a sales rep tells me. Its the gospel right :wak :wak :wak[/quote]
:rofl :rofl :rofl ya the reps are never wrongI gotta get me one of these RP’s.. I have a complete 69 Camero coming this weekend or next.. Perhaps Bondo should order himself one of these guns for this job and see what all the fuss is about..
I dont use a regulator on my Iwata, but I know I spray with allot more pressure than what it calls for .. I never felt it atomized like it should at the recommended setting when I used regulators and always bumped the pressure up :stoned
[b]BondoKing wrote:[/b]
[quote]I gotta get me one of these RP’s.. I have a complete 69 Camero coming this weekend or next.. Perhaps Bondo should order himself one of these guns for this job and see what all the fuss is about..I dont use a regulator on my Iwata, but I know I spray with allot more pressure than what it calls for .. I never felt it atomized like it should at the recommended setting when I used regulators and always bumped the pressure up :stoned[/quote]
I usually use a regulator and for clears and some ss I often use a little more pressure too. Just because the gun is compliant, doesn’t mean I have to be…besides an extra 5 or 10 PSI doesn’t hurt if it makes the product lay down smoother! :lol1
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