Sherwin Williams HPC15
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Anyone had a go with this stuff? We had a guy come and demo it today as I liked the sound if it, and it went pretty well I reckon.
A very fast drying clear for some of the smaller jobs we do. One of the test jobs was baked in 7 minutes, the other air dried for 30. It’s not a product I’d use a lot of, but for banging out several bumper covers in a row and saving a heap of money on gas to bake them off, it’s tempting.
The price works out high compared to my normal DeBeer clear (about double RFU), but this may be outweighed by the savings on time and gas.
My question really is has anyone had any experience with it, and how well does it hold out over time?
Thanks all,
Andy.
Honestly Andy I have not heard much good about it. I have heard a lot of people saying it looses gloss after a few weeks to months. I have not used it personally so I can’t say for sure, but with as many people saying the same thing I would have to believe them. Maybe someone else will chime in that has seen it after a few months.
Im not sure about the Sherwin HPc15 but a clear that i use from time to time that does what you describe is the newest clear in the Nexa Autocolor paint line P190-6800. The stuff is amazing.Excellent gloss and 30 minute buff time. It was launched in late October of 2011, i was abit sceptical about it at first thinking that all speed clears eventually die off but no sign as of yet being 6 months later. Its great for the jobs that have to be done yesterday and your trying to get them out the door. Its increased profit by decreasing cycle time and lowering operating costs. http://www.ppg.com/en/newsroom/news/Pages/20111222R.aspx
I used the HPC 15 on a few jobs with the AWX. Definitely fast and relatively easy to use, but it dies back. Not something I would want my name attached to 6 months later…
I sprayed it for about two years and never had any problems. I have always been good about letting my base flash real good before clearing. Never had anything come back that was died back. It’s very fast and works well for small get em out the door jobs. I miss spraying that stuff!
A bit of a mixed bag then.
I assumed that such a fast cure time would come at a price, with die back being it, which is why I thought I’d better check. I’ll keep an eye on both cars and see how they go, providing they hang around on the sales lot long enough!
Smooth – I did have a brief trial of a similar Nexa clear, and have also used the DeBeer Speed Clear. I liked the performance of both and the jobs seemed to last well, but the price of each was pretty high . Maybe I need a sit down with the bean counters to work out if the higher product cost would be offset by the other savings to be had.
Yea its not cheap, my cost is like $500 RTS.
Try Lesonal Pro Air LV. Lower RTS cost, sprays easy, dries fast. No loss of gloss.
Pro air LV is energy pro 250 :blink:
I thought we were talking speed clears…
Energy pro is a fast clear but not as fast as hpc 15. No it does not die back but the more I spray it the more I don’t like it. I just Turbo up hs+. Also energy pro (pro air lv) is expensive.
[quote=”smooth” post=26169]I thought we were talking speed clears…[/quote]
I thought we were talking about fast clear that stayed shiny.
:deadhorse
Energy pro is out of dust by the time I can clean a gun, how much faster do you need. I have sanded it after 40 minutes with no bake. I can think of very few times in my life where I need a clear that is buffable in 30 minutes. Unless your painting 80-100 cars a week like Andy there isn’t much need. Time management would be more beneficial.
I think Energy Pro is a good mix of fast enough without compromising looks and sprays well. It isn’t going to wet up as easily as a slower clear and won’t have the flow but I can make it look nice. Given my choice I will spray Superior all day long and just bake it.
Since this thread has been Hijacked :p Ryan made good points but I would like to add that energy pro and superior are similar in price.With that being said with a little bit of accelerator and spot and panel it is pretty quick also and looks better,so why use energy pro 😉 Looks like only one user has something good to say about HPC.
Getting back onto topic somewhat 😉
It seems DeBeer heard about my little trial run with a different product and are coming in on Monday armed with some products for me to try :dnc Basically a faster hardener than I’m currently using, and what they call a taping additive (a catalyst/accelerator). It should give me much the same finish and longevity that I have now (it’s the same clear) but with the option to speed things up if I need to.
But to be fair, speeding up the process isn’t exactly what I’m looking for. I have the job down to a steady rhythm and flow, where the 30 minutes that one car is baking in the oven next door gives me plenty of time to mask, clean, paint & clear the next. As one comes out of the oven, the current job is painted and ready to slide across into it, and there’s one waiting outside the booth for me to do next. I’ve tried speeding things up, but I’m marginal on flash times for the base, the prep guys can’t always keep up, and the polish/de-prep guy certainly can’t!
What I am trying to do is cut down on energy bills. Gas prices have risen hugely here over the past couple of years, and it’s a real issue. As Ryan says we can be baking 80+ cars a week when we’re busy, which is a whole lot of gas. What I’d like is to keep to my 30 minutes cycle, baking as normal for the 3+ panel jobs that are unsuitable for a really fast clear, but then the many smaller jobs can get sprayed with the quick stuff and left to air dry in the booth without the burners on. There’ll always be some residual heat in there from previous bakes so it’s much warmer than out in the shop. Plus there’s less chance of someone brushing past an un-cured job in the organised chaos that is my small but busy workplace!
That’s why I’m looking forward to trying what DeBeer has to offer. Rather than flipping clears and gun set ups for the different types of job, I simply put in some additive for the little jobs, and leave it out for the big ones. Plus it gives me the option of baking with the additive if I really need something out quick, which happens once in a while (usually just before we leave work on a Friday night!)
I’ll let you know how it goes….
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