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  • October 25, 2010 at 7:14 am #24648

    I know this is a topic that has been covered thousands of times…

    I have a 24X20 shop that is made by barn master

    I have a slab that is part of the same floor that the shop is built on that goes past the walls.

    The extra slab size is 24X12. I was thinking about building three walls to make another room next to the shop for painting.

    My main question is what should I do for the main drive through door? 2-4′ swing doors or 1 8′ roll up door?

    My concern is the door gap with the swing doors. I would think the roll up would seal better???

    Any other idea’s or suggestions?

    Was thinking about using the whole house fan in the ceiling and some sort of opening on each side of the front door with filters to draw air through.

    I really want to build this so I can have a clean place to paint cars. Right now I have to do all the body prep and then clean up and hope for the best.

    I don’t have a big budget so I have to do this as cheap as possible. I was talking to my contractor friend and he thinks it can be built for around 1500?? +or- not including the fans and lights and other misc things…

    October 26, 2010 at 9:12 am #24694

    no help on this one?

    Need idea’s for what to use on the interior walls too. Maybe FRP or should I just drywall it and paint it with some good heavy duty paint?

    October 26, 2010 at 9:49 am #24696

    FRP – no question. I decided to go cheap and put 1/4″ ply on my ‘detail bay’ walls at my shop, which I also paint in, and painted them with floor paint. it SUCKS. no comparison to FRP, which can be scrubbed/pressure washed.

    in my experience roll up doors never seal well.

    October 26, 2010 at 9:10 pm #24697

    Thanks, I was thinking that the roll up would be much better. I guess I didn’t think about the sides of the door having an air gap??? If I use the two 4′ door option then I will have to lay wet towels on the floor in front of the door to seal it I’m sure. Then again, I will probably have the same issues with the sides?

    Maybe a foam roll down the two sides when the doors close they will seal. Or build a frame around the door that hangs over to the walls?

    Im about ready to build so I guess I will need to think this out carefully.

    Thinking about using a whole house fan (the big 4×4 one) in the celine up front and drawing air from the front next to the main door with filters the full length of the walls.

    Or would it be better to put the fan right in the middle on top and draw air through the front and rear by the doors? I would be afraid of crud falling from the fan on the paint. Probably not a good place.

    Any idea’s would be helpfull. Thanks.

    October 27, 2010 at 1:41 am #24700

    the steel roll up doors as suggested suck. they have numerous gaps horizontally and then along the channels on the sides. if anything i liked bondomerchants spray booth door. its just a regular garage door but it looks well insulated and much fewer gaps. its also cheaper :kofee

    October 27, 2010 at 5:33 am #24720

    [quote=”Jinx” post=14896]no help on this one?

    Need idea’s for what to use on the interior walls too. Maybe FRP or should I just drywall it and paint it with some good heavy duty paint?[/quote]
    I have double swinging doors on both ends for 2 or 3 reasons.
    1. When I open and close they don’t drop dust as bad as a rolling door.
    2. They are quieter….not that it matters much.
    3. I could make them myself.
    P.S. you can screw door sweeps to the door bottoms for sealing no prob.
    Hope you can do it that cheap…especially with FRP….what ya gonna glue the FRP to?
    Need a picture for reference? I might could come up with one…

    October 27, 2010 at 6:09 am #24725

    I would put white ribbed tin up. the kind that goes on the outside of a metal building. As for doors, I would use double doors with the sweeps and a rubber seal on the sides and center. You should check out Tractor Supply for an exaust fan.

    October 27, 2010 at 8:42 am #24735

    Hey Timbo…
    I was thinking about using drywall then gluing the FRP to it with H tracks between them to seal the gaps between. I can use any idea’s or help you can throw my way.

    Underpaid Painter…
    After thinking about what you guys are saying, I’m pretty sure that I will go with the double door like you and other have said. I can make them pretty cheap and like you said, installing rubber around the sides and bottom should really help.

    Thanks.

    October 27, 2010 at 11:11 pm #24744

    I vote double swing doors and put the fan/suck in the floor (duct it, fan is really out side) :dnc

    October 28, 2010 at 9:52 am #24751

    cant do the fan in the floor. Slab is pored already.

    October 28, 2010 at 5:30 pm #24753

    down low through the base board area of the walls :unsure:

    October 28, 2010 at 8:25 pm #24754

    most often FRP has little trim strips for the seams, and white caps for the screws. no need to glue it.

    October 28, 2010 at 8:56 pm #24755

    that’s a good idea… so make some kind of track in the wall that would duct the air being pulled from the fan to each opening along the base board? Kind of like the heaters in a house work? But reversed of course.

    Trying to visually think of how the suction would work inside the walls with the all studs being in the way???

    The only way I can think of is to run it along the top where crown moulding would go and drop down surfaced mounted ducting to the floor with wide openings.

    Got better idea’s?

    October 29, 2010 at 4:31 am #24763

    surface mounted ducting along the walls, like a baseboard, would be great, and run it all the way along the wall to one end where all the air leaves. lots of area that way, but you’ll have more suction on the end nearest the fan.

    intake would ideally be on the ceiling right in the middle. at least that’s where all the nice booths seem to have them.

    October 29, 2010 at 4:49 am #24765

    [quote=”Jinx” post=14955]that’s a good idea… so make some kind of track in the wall that would duct the air being pulled from the fan to each opening along the base board? Kind of like the heaters in a house work? But reversed of course.

    Trying to visually think of how the suction would work inside the walls with the all studs being in the way???

    The only way I can think of is to run it along the top where crown moulding would go and drop down surfaced mounted ducting to the floor with wide openings.

    Got better idea’s?[/quote]

    cool , … got yah thinkin :dnc

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