sikkens superior 250…compared to sikkenshv-lp?
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how much better is sikkens superior 250 compared to sikkens hv-lp clear coat?
Do you mean HS+LV? If so no comparison between the 2,that would be like comparing a vw to a mercedes.Superior 250 is effortless to spray, stays open longer,beautiful gloss,stays that way,and a little bit goes a long way.HS+LV was a faster clear desingned for spot jobs or 2-3 panels,north of the border it was repalced by another quick crappy clear called energypro 250.Try superior for yourself and you will see how nice it is.
Superior 250 is one of the nicest clears on the market… EVER… PERIOD.
HS+LV IS NOT…
But I completely disagree with Jayson about Energy Pro 250 being a “crappy” clear. It’s a very nice clearcoat. Holds a good gloss, and lays out very nicely if applied properly. It has its place, and serves its purpose. It’s very fast. But I have painted PLENTY of larger jobs with it (slow activator), and had great results. I use both (Superior and Energy Pro) every single day. Superior lives up to its name. It is superior to both HS+LV and Energy Pro (and pretty much everything else out there). But Energy Pro is far from being “crappy”, and it is WAY nicer than HS+LV if your looking for a nice air-dry (or just plain fast) clearcoat.Let me re-phrase that about energy pro”it is junk”if it works for you great,but it didn’t work for us and we threw it out of the shop after a year.
I am still spraying ABP so I dont get to use superior. I would love to try it out and see what it can do. For now thuough I am using Energy pro and HS+. Energy pro is not that bad, It can be tricky to spray though. Some jobs it looks great, looks deep and holds a great gloss. Other times it hard to get it to lay down. I have most definaly sprayed other clears that are alot easier to spray but the energy pro gets the job done. I woulnt say its junk though. 😉
It is definitely not the easiest clear to spray. You really have to haul-ass with it, and plan your attack. I agree with you on that Underpaid. I also agree with you that is definitely not junk. I watched 5 guys from LKQ (who have never held a paint gun in their hands before) spray Superior at the Akzo training center, and they made it look like they were seasoned professionals! Not too many guys can pull that off with Energy Pro, unless they really know what they are doing… I have even heard some ridiculous stories about guys using Superior hardener with Energy Pro clear. Absolutely NOT recommended, not needed, and completely pointless in regard to what the clear is supposed to be…
[quote=”bgiordano1976″ post=24731]It is definitely not the easiest clear to spray. You really have to haul-ass with it, and plan your attack. I agree with you on that Underpaid. I also agree with you that is definitely not junk. I watched 5 guys from LKQ (who have never held a paint gun in their hands before) spray Superior at the Akzo training center, and they made it look like they were seasoned professionals! Not too many guys can pull that off with Energy Pro, unless they really know what they are doing… I have even heard some ridiculous stories about guys using Superior hardener with Energy Pro clear. Absolutely NOT recommended, not needed, and completely pointless in regard to what the clear is supposed to be…[/quote]
By who?That info comes from the training center up here absolutely accceptible.Energypro is not hard to spray,the only thing to remember is no waiting between coats.If you want to save yourself some money get some lesonal proair LV,it is relabeled energypro.Like I said if you guys like it and it’s working for you great,it doesn’t work for us,superior just works and looks better,plus it is more chip resistant…[quote=”Jayson M” post=24733][quote=”bgiordano1976″ post=24731]It is definitely not the easiest clear to spray. You really have to haul-ass with it, and plan your attack. I agree with you on that Underpaid. I also agree with you that is definitely not junk. I watched 5 guys from LKQ (who have never held a paint gun in their hands before) spray Superior at the Akzo training center, and they made it look like they were seasoned professionals! Not too many guys can pull that off with Energy Pro, unless they really know what they are doing… I have even heard some ridiculous stories about guys using Superior hardener with Energy Pro clear. Absolutely NOT recommended, not needed, and completely pointless in regard to what the clear is supposed to be…[/quote]
By who?That info comes from the training center up here absolutely accceptible.Energypro is not hard to spray,the only thing to remember is no waiting between coats.If you want to save yourself some money get some lesonal proair LV,it is relabeled energypro.Like I said if you guys like it and it’s working for you great,it doesn’t work for us,superior just works and looks better,plus it is more chip resistant…[/quote]
Is there a difference in pro air lv and pro air? We use to use pro air then switched to energy pro. They are not the same clear at all. Not even close.Re-read my post I said “Proair LV” not proair,no they are not the same.Energy pro 250 is relabeled and sold as Lesonal Proair LV.That info comes from John Noakes at Sikkens Western Canada Training center,I didn’t pull it out of my ….I have sprayed both (Pro-air LV and energy pro250 are identical) when we put on a Lesonal WB clinic at our shop last winter. 😉
Ok so is the pro air LV available in the us? If so is there a price difference in the two? If there is we should just go with pro air lv and save some money because energy pro is kinda pricey.
Not sure if it is or not,if lesonal waterborne and energypro are I would assume so.If I was in your situation with no voc laws I would use lesonal universal clear or ACIII instead of EP 250.If you want more info PM
Here is the TDS sheet for it…
http://www.globalsafetynet.com/akzonobel/pdfs/akzo_375_english.pdf
Jayson… I am surprised that they recommend that up there. I had heard about this somewhere before, and ran it by the Akzo guys at the training center here in CA. They cringed when they heard this, and highly advised against ever trying this. To each their own i guess…
[quote=”dpouncey” post=24700]how much better is sikkens superior 250 compared to sikkens hv-lp clear coat?[/quote]
Define better?
Better at what?
Conditions play a big part in which gets chosen.
[quote=”Red Baron” post=24911][quote=”dpouncey” post=24700]how much better is sikkens superior 250 compared to sikkens hv-lp clear coat?[/quote]
Define better?
Better at what?
Conditions play a big part in which gets chosen.[/quote]
Well I hear it was just Superior! BAHAHAHHAHAHAHA
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