solvent vs. water base blending poll
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I gotcha 😉
Well i am kinda split in two
Solvent can be much much faster when pushed
( i would argue this point to my dying day lol, i know some people think the opposite but it just aint true)I find very large areas, landrover discovery bonnet in silver for instance i would rather do in solvent, i could do it much faster
Any dirt nibs or imperfections solvent basecoat is a country mile easier to flat
But
Water blends very easy
water in non aggresive
Water does not ring up on rub throughs i.e where you may rub through on a clearcoat, when sanding out a scratch.
Some days solvent was faster others not. Depends on the weather somewhat for me.
It is 86 degrees with 28% humidity this afternoon. I had to base and blend within a fender, door, and extended cab corner on a truck with a heavy gold metallic. From the start of basing till my control coat was done was 8 minutes. Solvent would not have been that fast for me. Our booth is equipped with QUADS though which makes a huge difference.
I agree with Ryan 100% on a nice hot day with low humidity water is the cats meow. The nice thing about solvent was whether it was hot or cold it still dried relatively the same unless you used the wrong reducer. I would never go back to solvent personally :woohoo:
Yea Ryan you hit the nail on the head with the addmision of using quads
Waterbase requires enhancers to dry it
be it
Quads
fans
overhead blowers
handheld blowersYou can paint solvent anywhere, the same cant be said for water you need air movent and lot’s of it.
Having said that i would love the chance to use Quads i here they are awesome, great to use on bake as well speed up the baking process by 30 odd percent.
They work really well Nick. You can cut temp and time of bake back and the car comes out harder.
I have heard the Jun-Air booths with the Quads are something else. I am in a 13 year old Blowtherm, but it still works great.
Have you ever heard of using indoor/outdoor carpet on the floor over there Nick? It helps keep alot of dust down, which is very important with the quads
[b]dturcotte wrote:[/b]
[quote]I agree with Ryan 100% on a nice hot day with low humidity water is the cats meow. The nice thing about solvent was whether it was hot or cold it still dried relatively the same unless you used the wrong reducer. I would never go back to solvent personally :woohoo:[/quote]I have to agree with you, I would never go back to solvent either.
I have times when my water blends feel grity, reducing at 30% . The water is so thin in mills yet the gritty overspray looks seedy when cleared over. When things go right with the water it is perfect. But I miss using slow reducer and blending solvent. When I dry nib water with 1000 grit, recoating to fill the 1000 grit scratches seem to be a litter harder because of how thin the color is. I guess I am still learning after four months, compared to twenty yrs of solvents. Thinkjing of trying an Iawata 400 for base, instead of my sata 3000, with 1.4 tip
Steve here are a few things you can try if you are getting grainy blends.1.don’t flick your wrist like a solvent blend,keep your gun perpendicular with the panel.2.drop your air pressure from 29-30psi to 22-24psi for drop coat and blends,full trigger pull and increase your distance to 12-14in and slow down.feel your masking paper after your drop coat and it should be wet.3.you can add up to 50% wb activator,do your first 2 coats with 30% reduction then add more,just like slow reducer in a solvent blend.Let us know if this helps. 😉
[b]ryanbrown999 wrote:[/b]
[quote]They work really well Nick. You can cut temp and time of bake back and the car comes out harder.I have heard the Jun-Air booths with the Quads are something else. I am in a 13 year old Blowtherm, but it still works great.
Have you ever heard of using indoor/outdoor carpet on the floor over there Nick? It helps keep alot of dust down, which is very important with the quads[/quote]
Carpet you have me intrigued lol do you mean carpeting the booth floor, tell me more
[b]nick@dunsdale wrote:[/b]
[quote][b]ryanbrown999 wrote:[/b]
[quote]They work really well Nick. You can cut temp and time of bake back and the car comes out harder.I have heard the Jun-Air booths with the Quads are something else. I am in a 13 year old Blowtherm, but it still works great.
Have you ever heard of using indoor/outdoor carpet on the floor over there Nick? It helps keep alot of dust down, which is very important with the quads[/quote]
Carpet you have me intrigued lol do you mean carpeting the booth floor, tell me more[/quote]
Yes sir you are correct. I have indoor/outdoor carpet on the floor. It won’t mold and can take water so when I pressure wash the booth walls for a new booth coat I will hit the carpet real quick and shop vac it.
In the mornings I will run over it with a household vacuum(hoover) to pick up the dust from overspray. Since it is indoor/outdoor it is very tightly woven and does not frey or come apart. It costs about $100 to do a booth and will easily last a few years.
It is also easier on the feet and knees. It is grey in color so the overspray doesn’t discolor it.
I’ve heard of this indoor outdoor carpert in a booth before. I
m curious to try it.[b]ryanbrown999 wrote:[/b]
[quote][b]nick@dunsdale wrote:[/b]
[quote][b]ryanbrown999 wrote:[/b]
[quote]They work really well Nick. You can cut temp and time of bake back and the car comes out harder.I have heard the Jun-Air booths with the Quads are something else. I am in a 13 year old Blowtherm, but it still works great.
Have you ever heard of using indoor/outdoor carpet on the floor over there Nick? It helps keep alot of dust down, which is very important with the quads[/quote]
Carpet you have me intrigued lol do you mean carpeting the booth floor, tell me more[/quote]
Yes sir you are correct. I have indoor/outdoor carpet on the floor. It won’t mold and can take water so when I pressure wash the booth walls for a new booth coat I will hit the carpet real quick and shop vac it.
In the mornings I will run over it with a household vacuum(hoover) to pick up the dust from overspray. Since it is indoor/outdoor it is very tightly woven and does not frey or come apart. It costs about $100 to do a booth and will easily last a few years.
It is also easier on the feet and knees. It is grey in color so the overspray doesn’t discolor it.[/quote]
lol you have my interest here, think i am going to try this definitely
how have you fastened your carpet to the floor glued ??
There is a glue that you spread with a trowel. If the carpet gets old just pull up, retrowel, and lay more down.
I cleaned the floor of dust but left the layer of overspray on so if I ever wanted to get the glue up it would come off easier.
thats the craziest thing i’ve ever heard. while it seems like it breaks all the rules of needing a clean booth, it sounds like it might work.
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