Standox Waterborne
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Stay away from Standox Waterborne. Way too meny tech problems. Seedy base and do not try and denib the base. Color chips do not match the color.
Dupont is the very same product but a little cost. Stock up on clear. You will need three coats to hide the seedy basecoat.
Trust me RUN.Thats not what I hear from the guys at Autobodyonline :pcorn:
Yeah I heard it is the cats meow,even though it is just repackaged dupont cromax,have heard of a few shops in my area that tossed it out :blink:
[quote=”painter” post=24922]Stay away from Standox Waterborne. Way too meny tech problems. Seedy base and do not try and denib the base. Color chips do not match the color.
Dupont is the very same product but a little cost. Stock up on clear. You will need three coats to hide the seedy basecoat.
Trust me RUN.[/quote]Oh, c’mon it denibs just fine when you wet sand it… 😛 It doesn’t match nearly as well as Standox or Spies solvent, and although it’s wicked fast to apply, i found it way too slow to dry on top of all the junk that you need to double strain out…twice. The big advantage i saw over Cromax with the Standoblue was the color chips. They were bigger, and i hear the newer Cromax ones will be as well now, but the Standoblue were organized by manufacturer AND by color family. So if a Honda silver with one code had no chips you liked, flip down a few to those of another code and chances were good of finding one you’d like.
The best thing i see with water is it FORCES you to wait out the flash off period, which is so important and so often abused in solvent systems. But the fans needed to dry the water were basically shutting down our IR 10HP screw compressor that’s dedicated strictly to the booths… if they were running while someone else was painting the painter got a noticeable pressure drop…and we have 1″ line and a loop system feeding the booths, and they’re very close together and close to the compressor…very close.Side note, the company that does booth repairs in my area was telling me how much trouble water is causing in shops using it. Seems that the overspray stays so wet so long, and finally dries so hard that they’re having to disassemble exhaust plenums and sandblast them to get them clean instead of just the normal scrape and blow off from solvent, and the wet overspray is getting past post filters and into motors and ruining bearings in some. Average per booth down time 3 days. In production shops they’re seeing repairs necessary up to twice a year. I’m curious to see if anyone else has heard or experienced this. Never would’ve dreamt that would happen. I’m very happy with, and think i’ll stick with solvent to the bitter end as long as there’s strong color match support/updates.
The paint pocket exhaust filters will eliminate most of the overspray build up on exhaust fans and plenums vs the green fibergalss filters,night and day difference 😉
[quote=”Jayson M” post=24947]The paint pocket exhaust filters will eliminate most of the overspray build up on exhaust fans and plenums vs the green fibergalss filters,night and day difference ;)[/quote]
I’ve heard of those but never seen them, and don’t think anyone around here uses them. Good to know for future reference, and thanks for the input.
I use paint pockets also but mine came from. http://sprayboothfilters.net/Sprayboothfilters1-2010/Exhaust_Filters,_Prices,_Free_S.html
Ive been using Envirobase for about 2yrs now. The other day I had the opportunity to demo Standoblue and was quite surprized at how good of coverage you can get. Now only do most colors cover in one coat, but it is much faster and lays out alot smoother than other water. So, if you happen to be achieving seedy results then youre spraying this base dry; which is improper. Color match was ok, but could use some improvement. If you happen to use standox, I recommend trying their 2k H.S. Clear. It is make as a 11/2coat clear and has the least dieback of any clear ive sprayed. For those who havent sprayed Standoblue yet, I recommend giving it a try.
Just wait 2 weeks and the standoblue and the 2k hs premium will tighten up and dull out…i demoed it also and painted about 10 to 15 cars with a rep and thought it was really nice as well until customers started coming back and saying there cars turned dull…….just my experience….
Isn’t standoblue/spies waterborne repackaged cromax pro :silly:
Dupont = Junk IMO. There is a reason why they are selling off
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