trans star no mix low voc base
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yes base is 3.5voc here…. problem is NO reducer will spray anything smoothly… its brutal…
the crazy part is I mixed no-mix into a transtar “slow” reducer thats 0 voc and it wouldnt even melt in… it looked like oil in water. The reason was they have to use the solvent oxol to make a slow speed reducer and isn’t very hot at all and does not melt the base.
Its all because they load up the products with acetone, which flashes the moment it comes out of the gun… even clears are brutal now in high humidity conditions… solvent pop is brutal now in the summer time. The High voc clears don’t skin over like the low voc do, and they can breath longer once sprayed which stops the solvent pop.
So the base when used according to specs end up spraying out like they are loaded with sand, and make for a really crappy finish.
which means we have been forced to essentially find creative ways to make it work.its not as simple as selling a product that works the way its supposed to, because there isn’t anything out there in a solvent solution that has coverage, color match, AND ease of spray-ability. the waterborne solutions all have excellent color match, and are easy to make lay down smooth, but don’t work well for completes and fleet jobs.
what Glen is going thru is it sounds like he has a booth setup that dupont is deeming unfit for water, which is kinda BS, since I have guys spraying water in the crappiest of booths and making it work. but anyway since he does big jobs waterborne would be too slow and non-productive. So he is using transtar nomix that has amazing coverage and speed, since its solvent but lacks in smoothness due to the 0 voc reducer needed to make it meet voc specs.
My supplier seems to be happy with matrix low voc solvent and another low voc solvent base called Urki (distributed by carsystem/carworx in canada)They seem to be easy to spray so I have been told.
Sikkens superior 250 is a 2.1 voc clear sprays easy and does not pop,same with matrix AG40LV.It is a little more work but I have done many a complete with waterborne.yea completes can be done in waterborne, I’ve done them too… I actually prefer water and will use it over solvent whenever I have the option.
as a jobber though I have to deal with a lot of stubborn customers who refuse to be open-minded to all the options available to them to complete whatever job they are working on… even if we offer them training to help them thru it.
I have some that get mad when the solvent doesn’t match, yet refuse to try waterborne when I know damn well it will get them where they want to go.
I have never heard of Urki, but then again Carworx hardly ever comes to visit me and I have never really had great success with their line due to pricing issues.
Matrix seems to be a pretty good line, my competitor sells it and I hear from the shops it offers good color match, but when I sampled it i had the same seediness issues that transtar had. I really wasnt overly impressed (still prefer water)
I’m about to dive into the valspar world and see how they are, its a unknown product around here and I’m anxious to see how it performs.
im eager now to try reducing my base with virgin gunwash!
Why would you want to,the paint will flash before it hits the surface :deadhorse
[quote=”Jayson M” post=29428]Why would you want to,the paint will flash before it hits the surface :deadhorse[/quote]
cause it’s better than having it flash before it leaves the gun :whistle:LOL… its a good way to get a feel for what to expect once you find the right product, but I can’t say i would do it all the time since the quality of the solvent will be a lot poorer than that of a urethane grade product. look in industrial/fleet paint lines for such a demon since those products don’t fall under auto refinish and higher voc levels are compliant. IE Limco LR12
Not really,Imron elite,delfleet,sikkens btlv 650 are all 3.5 voc compliant now.There are many 0 voc reducers to choose from that actually work not to bad.
it cant be worse than how fast it flashes using the transtar reducer even with slow, it flashes before it hits the surface :S
That sucks 5L how come your using that stuff anyway???
If I paint at all anymore, it is only using this stuff I dont spray any water anymore or use any nice clears..
Most of the time im not even in a booth at all…What a qawinky dink. Just had the guys from transtar in my shop. Ya know the guys from concept paint and some from austrailia. Any how they recomended reducing the base coat 150% for that problem oh and right temp reducer for right weather.
P. S. They gave me a boomarang. 🙂
I whipped my gti out for some silver base today. The transtar really dries before it hits the panel with that gun. The funny thing is the lv500 basecoat blender sprays nice. I find the iwata lph400 can put it on wet but that gun we have has a messed up spray pattern so silver is out of the question.
I wonder what would happen if I mixed the color with the blender and added a little reducer. The clear wherever the base is takes on a little texture when the clear dries. Over the basecoat blender its fine. Maybe I can hammer that stuff on as a last coat to seal in the base.
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