Water-Based cleaner
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Does anyone else get fisheyes when using water-based cleaner? I use R-M 909 and every time use it I end up with fisheyes. I can’t figure out what’s going on here, when I use it I wet one cloth with 909 and wipe with it in one hand and in the other hand I have a dry cloth that I go over the panel and dry it with. After I use the water-based I use R-M 900 wax and grease remover. I must not be getting all of it off but as hard as I try I still end up with fisheyes. Any ideas?? Otherwise I’m done using water-based cleaner!
I use 900 then 909 without any problems. The reps were in telling me that certain clothes were causing people issues when using the waterborne paint, but if your finishing with 900 I can’t imagine why you’d have a problem with your cleaning procedure. I’d have to think it’s comming from another source…air lines, environment….etc.
Hey Jimmo,
Yea I can’t figure it out, I thought the same thing so for the past three or four days I’ve been going through the process of elimination with no luck until today when I sprayed and didn’t use the 909 and no fisheyes so then just to make sure I brought in a junk fender and scuffed and cleaned it and used the 909 again but when I shot then there are the fisheyes again so I am thinking now that it is for sure the 909?doesn’t make sense. 909 is contaminated maybe??? I use glaso 700-1 then r-m 900 with no problems
keep in mind waterbased clearner take ALOT longer to flash off than solvent based. i have been told once you wipe down with a waterbased clear the part needs to sit for 1/2hour to get the water out of any pores. it may look dry but in fact it isn’t. i used to get that problem on metal when i was going to epoxy. once i started waiting a little longer the problem went away.
weve had some fisheye problems with 909 as well …. will try the 1/2 hr advice … thanks B)
Something that I think helps is when I’m wiping with waterborne W&G I will keep wiping after it looks dry. Just give it 3-4 more passes. I will turn my QUADS on for 10 minutes while I mix sealer to help with evaporation.
Hey Ryan do you use water based before or after solvent wax and grease remover and how long do you wait between cleaning between the two?
I use water first then solvent. No real time in between. Just as long as it takes me to wipe everything. I also never use solvent on plastic, fiberglass, or SMC.
i personaly haven’t used the 909. i usually use the 903. it flashes pretty quick since its mostly alcohol. i wouldn’t call it waterbased but its not exactly solvent either.
I have been using solvent then water, I will have to reverse it and see what happens.
try it and see, but here something to think about since all you work on is plastic. Solvent cleaner causes static in plastic. Waterborne will get rid of it. It might not be a bad idea in your situation to use solvent first.
I never use solvent cleaner on plastic. Only on metal panels.
Thats an interesting bit of information there Ryan, I will give it a try without solvent on plastic. I am actually working on a fender now, so i will just follow your advice with using water-based first.
Thread will be up in a day or so.
nex, it has always been recommended by spi anyway to do solvent first then water. in most cases anyway, i usually only use solvent initally before the first sanding of a part anyway. once the primer goes on its all water from that point.
I’m going to try to use it again and wipe it extra good even after it looks dry and then I will let it sit for a while before I shoot over it, hopefully it works because I really dont want to skip something important like that BUT I also am freaking sick of sanding out fisheyes in my clear because of it. It’s not only with the 909 I have used valspar’s also and same thing…
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