Will this work????
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I just got this idea that cross my head, and I am not sure if this is gonna work
3 stages paint, SW base, and Dupont/PPG mid.
Will it work????
The reason why I thought about this was that I had better luck with SW base color matching than Dupont or PPG, when it comes to 3 stages. But their mid coat is VERY expensive. So I thought that I might be able to combine both brands together to get lower cost, but still good result ( I hope ).
What do you thing?
I dont think it’s a good idea but try this place maybe someone over there has done it before
http://www.autobody101.com/forums/Aren’t you spraying a newer Lexus SUV???
I posted earlier that you might want to look at a European paint line as they have better matches. Try Sikkens, Glasurit, Nexa, or Spies Hecker/ Standox.
You are going to create alot more work for yourself. I have sprayed alot of RX350’s in 3-stage with Sikkens and always had very good matches. You have recieved good advice here from quite a few guys who all paint for a living but you seem to insist on kicking yourself in the balls with this job. Take a step back, buy some base that matches, work with a jobber who will work with you. Spray the car and be done. You are talking about a 50K SUV and you are pinching pennies on paint??? Don’t major in a minor here! You are going to try and save a few dollars and will end up spending alot more money and time in the long run.
The advice Jayson first gave you was top notch advice. Buy some good paint and follow what he said and it will turn out nice.
No way,,,,I wouldnt even try it.
I concure “nope don’t try it” :blink:
yes, spray your base normally, let it flash fully, then spray your pearl. you’ll be fine, Ive tried it and you’ll be surprised at what else Ive tried.
Mo!
OK, what else have you tried?? :silly:
Thanks for the input
[b]Han wrote:[/b]
[quote]Mo!OK, what else have you tried?? :silly:[/quote]
LOL, when i do jambs or underhood stuff i let my creativity go wild. ive mixed 2:1 clear 4:1 accidentally; no problems, used the 4:1 urethane hardner in place of the 2:1 polyurethane hardener;just a little die back, again accidental, lol, mixed DBU and DBC; intentionally, no problems, mixed left over DBC and OMNI, very ugly color but needed it for coverage issue. ive put baby powder in a can of dynalite 494 to see what would happen, tried to improve it but its just a crappy filler. Benjamin Moore industrial colorant in a urethane primer (i use that to shade all my primers now to as close as the base color as possible, works perfectly just costs less and saves a lot of base. i cant think of anything else lol.
[b]ryanbrown999 wrote:[/b]
[quote]Aren’t you spraying a newer Lexus SUV???I posted earlier that you might want to look at a European paint line as they have better matches. Try Sikkens, Glasurit, Nexa, or Spies Hecker/ Standox.
You are going to create alot more work for yourself. I have sprayed alot of RX350’s in 3-stage with Sikkens and always had very good matches. You have recieved good advice here from quite a few guys who all paint for a living but you seem to insist on kicking yourself in the balls with this job. Take a step back, buy some base that matches, work with a jobber who will work with you. Spray the car and be done. You are talking about a 50K SUV and you are pinching pennies on paint??? Don’t major in a minor here! You are going to try and save a few dollars and will end up spending alot more money and time in the long run.
The advice Jayson first gave you was top notch advice. Buy some good paint and follow what he said and it will turn out nice.[/quote]
Not pinching pennies on paint ….. just can’t find any of these brands you suggested. But, I have followed Jayson’s suggestion, just not quick enough to put hands on it due to my 6 days working schedule and other things. However, I have finally done my test panel as suggested by jayson, and yah, my base color mismatch just like he said, and non of pearl layers matches of course.
I have already brought my paint ( both base & pearl ) back to my jobber for adjustment, with my good fender for matching. With additional charge, they are going to adjust the paint color, and spray test to match factory color on my good fender. So, I will get tested matching paint with known result, and exactly # of layer needed on pearl for matching. I am now looking forward to have good result once I get the paint back.
Sorry for asking too many questions …. just want to get it done right. And, I am taking advises seriously, but just didn’t have time to put hands on it till last Sunday, not because I wouldn’t, but couldn’t.
By the way, do you happens to know who sells any of these paint brand you suggested, in North California?????
[b]MoCoke wrote:[/b]
[quote][b]Han wrote:[/b]
[quote]Mo!OK, what else have you tried?? :silly:[/quote]
LOL, when i do jambs or underhood stuff i let my creativity go wild. ive mixed 2:1 clear 4:1 accidentally; no problems, used the 4:1 urethane hardner in place of the 2:1 polyurethane hardener;just a little die back, again accidental, lol, mixed DBU and DBC; intentionally, no problems, mixed left over DBC and OMNI, very ugly color but needed it for coverage issue. ive put baby powder in a can of dynalite 494 to see what would happen, tried to improve it but its just a crappy filler. Benjamin Moore industrial colorant in a urethane primer (i use that to shade all my primers now to as close as the base color as possible, works perfectly just costs less and saves a lot of base. i cant think of anything else lol.[/quote]
You sound crazy …….. but I have done the many similar things in my work field, not auto paint thu. :exci
I am in Kentucky so I have no idea. Most Dupont jobbers will have Standox or Spies. A platinum PPG jobber will have Nexa. Just google it.
If they adjust your color it should be fine. Thats what a painter in a shop would do with a mixing bank.
It is not a good idea to become junior bench chemist. Chemical engineers at paint companies design a system to work together and a certain way. Trust me you or anybody else that paints cars doesn’t know more than they do. You can get away with using one brand of base and another clear, but that can even bite you in the ***.
[quote]LOL, when i do jambs or underhood stuff i let my creativity go wild. ive mixed 2:1 clear 4:1 accidentally; no problems, used the 4:1 urethane hardner in place of the 2:1 polyurethane hardener;just a little die back, again accidental, lol, mixed DBU and DBC; intentionally, no problems, mixed left over DBC and OMNI, very ugly color but needed it for coverage issue. ive put baby powder in a can of dynalite 494 to see what would happen, tried to improve it but its just a crappy filler. Benjamin Moore industrial colorant in a urethane primer (i use that to shade all my primers now to as close as the base color as possible, works perfectly just costs less and saves a lot of base. i cant think of anything else lol.[/quote]
LOL!! :rofl
[b]ryanbrown999 wrote:[/b]
[quote]I am in Kentucky so I have no idea. Most Dupont jobbers will have Standox or Spies. A platinum PPG jobber will have Nexa. Just google it.If they adjust your color it should be fine. Thats what a painter in a shop would do with a mixing bank.
It is not a good idea to become junior bench chemist. Chemical engineers at paint companies design a system to work together and a certain way. Trust me you or anybody else that paints cars knows more than they do. You can get away with using one brand of base and another clear, but that can even bite you in the ***.[/quote]
ryanbrown999,
Thanks much for your advise.
I wasn’t trying to do it, and it was just a question for curiousity. I have good understanding on the unexpectable chemical raction, so even I will try it later, it is NOT gonna be on my RX350 ………… but, maybe a fender for like a 94 whatever car that I can afford to try just for the heck of it. :lol1
[b]ryanbrown999 wrote:[/b]
[quote]I am in Kentucky so I have no idea. Most Dupont jobbers will have Standox or Spies. A platinum PPG jobber will have Nexa. Just google it.If they adjust your color it should be fine. Thats what a painter in a shop would do with a mixing bank.
It is not a good idea to become junior bench chemist. Chemical engineers at paint companies design a system to work together and a certain way. Trust me you or anybody else that paints cars knows more than they do. You can get away with using one brand of base and another clear, but that can even bite you in the ***.[/quote]
ryanbrown999,
Thanks much for your advise.
I wasn’t trying to do it, and it was just a question for curiousity. I have good understanding on the unexpectable chemical raction, so even I will try it later, it is NOT gonna be on my RX350 ………… but, maybe a fender for like a 94 whatever car that I can afford to try just for the heck of it. :lol1
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