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Nice job!
Supposed to get one for demo next week,I know I’m buying one anyway….lol[quote=”Matrix Paint Systems” post=18759]Nice work there candyman :clappy[/quote]
Thanx :blush:
[IMG]http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii9/lowdeville/dave_tornado_04.jpg[/IMG][quote=”5LEater” post=18800]reducing up to 50% in pearls that sounds different from wat ive been told. I reduce 10% for solid color and 20% for
metallic and pearls strictly. i overreduced a beige color similar to the one in bens pic by about six or seven grams and the color swam bad. after that I always try to keep it dead accurate. I do agree though that first coat has to be wet nice and wet for your metallics to flow out. I only try not to put it on too wet when using the crossflow with no heat, as it takes a VERY long time to flash lol[/quote]
Try 30%,I never use 20% anymore,results will be 10x better,guaranteed.[quote=”Jayson M” post=18802]I will reduce this time of year for metallics and pearls 20%,solid colors 10%.30% will improve spraying the hard metallics,I still can’t see reducing a pearl 50%,coverage would be an issue and runs.Now when doing a tri stage,your effect color will spray better with 30% and up,666 is very thick.I did a ford expedition code UG white pearl and reduced the effect color 40% and it was easier to spray and went on thnner,so maybe this is what he means.Summer time I go to minimum 30% for a tough metallic with CC,DC,EC.[/quote]
Checked the handbook we got for the advanced tri-coat course,and it says 40% for the pearls.[quote=”Jayson M” post=18775]John Noakes knows his stuff that is for sure 😉 Our supplier does the same thing,hopefully they will offer us the new course as well.Are you in Winnipeg? That is where John is originally from.[/quote]
I’m a half hour outside the city,and yeah,he knows everyone out here it seems,good guy,he’s been around,you can tell in his classes.[quote=”Jayson M” post=18758]Where did you take your course candyman?I took mine at the Vancouver training center.I could see 50% for a tri-stage,but for a regular low hiding color like a red pearl that would be a diaster.Interesting info,let us know what your book says,it has been over 2 years since I took that course.The 1.4 HC stands for hot climate,it doesn’t break it up as much and I think it is slightly larger than a 1.4.[/quote]
Our suppliers have a mini training center out here,John comes out every 3-4 months or so and teaches sikkens courses.
He said this was the first advanced application course he taught,it was mainly tri-coat application,I think it was worth 6 I-CAR points too.[quote=”Jayson M” post=18752]Application course teaches 30% for difficult metallics and pearls,or up to 50% in the summer.It would be extremely difficult to spray autowave with a 1.3.With the gun he is using it reccomends a 1.4 or 1.5,sata 3000hvlp with a 1.4HC works the best.When it comes to colors containing 888C 888DC 888EC it would be difficult if not impossible to not get a little mottling with a 1.3.Also dropping your pressure 5 psi or so for your control coat with full trigger pull and minimum 12-14 inches from surface and slow passes(but not to slow) will help.For your control coat you need big droplets and you want it to look like the surface is being peppered or rain hitting a sandy beach if that makes sense.Your first coat needs to be wet enough for the metallics to be swimming,second coat is medium wet,then your drop coat.Believe it or not your first coat is just as important for laying out the metallics as your drop coat.For what he has to work with and no help I think Benny is doing a good job,he just has to get in his groove.
Also Ben when you take out your intake filters and exhaust filters turn on the booth,close the doors and Blow the snot out of the intake ducting,and make sure the pit is not full of dirt/overspray dust.Also check you exhaust stack and fan,it might need a good scrape and clean.After this is done it will make a huge improvement in air movement and flash time.If that is an old devilbiss concept I’m sure there are intake filters on the airmake up unit,don’t forget those too.[/quote]
I believe they told us 50% reduction for pearls in the advanced autowave class I took a couple months back(may be wrong have to look at my book),some very good info you posted there.
We were the first shop to convert to waterbourne out here,and in the beginning they told us never reduce over 20% or it’d “explode”(still don’t know what that was supposed to mean,and now know it’s pure BS).
Been spraying with a 1.4 sata 3000 hvlp from day one,only gun I can get good results with so far.[quote=”Ben” post=18742][quote=”ding” post=18729]looking good Ben. How’s that autowave treating you. Change them filters yet[/quote]
The autowave is working well. Only issue is a little mottling on the odd job (horizontal hoods)…need to work on that and I think I will take Jaysons advice and get a bigger fluid tip for the gun. Otherwise the system is great, all the products are straight forward and user friendly. :cheers
The filters aren’t changed yet, but we have them at the shop…just put in new bulbs. Need to pressure wash it and re-spray the booth coating.
[quote]Looking at the work you’re turning out, I don’t really think your shop needs to find a painter[/quote]
Thanks. The hours are working out well and we aren’t busy to the point of needing another person, so I am happy as it is. ;)[/quote]
What ratio are you reducing?
We used to have a little problem with mottling when they told us to never reduce over 20%,now I go 30-40% on metallics,especially with little or no humidity this time of year.Thanx,but No bags over here,strictly hydraulics ,bags are for fags…..haha!
My current project 61,as it sits in my garage
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My first flaked/candied/patterned ride,lotsa flaws,but it won a few awards in it’s day.
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Painted this one when I was 18,with a princess auto gun,and dupont centari single stage,sold it 2 years ago and this is how it looked almost 20 years later.
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My 78 coupe deville,I recently bought back from insurance,after I sold it,some punks vandalized it and left her for dead.
Before pix
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Bike tins I did for a guy from Minnesotta,all I got is pix of the tank,that’s black candy over water drops,fades,etc,people will tell you there’s no such thing as black candy,but it exsists.
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Pink candy “lac I did a few years back for as customer,lace,fades,all oldschool
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[IMG]http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii9/lowdeville/img_0430.jpg[/IMG]Last customer vehicle I redid,it was to his specs,hence the factory stance,mud flaps,etc(that and he lives in belize,roads are ***).
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[IMG]http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii9/lowdeville/P1010004-10.jpg[/IMG][quote=”bloverby” post=18689]Could you post up a few pics of some of these award winning rides that the paint companies should be chomping at the bit to get their products on? :welc
The paint supplier won’t give me anything, but my boss let’s me buy stuff through the shop account.[/quote]
I have no problem posting my work,but I’d be less of a smart *** If I had a clapped out”welcome to 92″ inspired s-truck as my avitar……..[quote=”jim c” post=18687]giving stuff out for samples and discounts, free guns and whatever else is all advertising. advertising cost money so a company has to feel that the dollars they are spending with you on this is going to pay in the long run for them. 1 car aint going to cut it or pay their bills. most large paint companies need large shops who spend hundreds of thousands a year. thats the customers they need to get not the couple guys who decide to use their paint because they saw it on a car at a show. also all the money for that free stuff and discounts have to come from somewhere. why do you think it cost $800 for a gallon of red that cost about $5 to make. nothing is free and everyone pays for it in the end.[/quote]
Before I went to work for GM,I ran my own small shop doing mainly completes(me and another guy part time),restos and dealer blend-ins,but product costs kept rising,and people wanted *** done for nothing.
I still got hook-ups from PPG for my own rides:cheers[quote=”ryanbrown999″ post=18663][quote=”candyman” post=18660][quote=”dcturcotte” post=18659][quote=”candyman” post=18657][quote=”Joe@FCAB” post=18642]Why dont you buy it through the shop and get their discount? I dont expect anything for free or discounted even on my own jobs.. We buy anywhere from 10-35k a month in product so we get our fair share of discounted items, but seeing as you might only paint 1-2 of your own cars a year you shouldnt expect the same treatment as the shop.[/quote]
I said I didn’t expect free,but to me,going to a show is free advertising for them,I know the PPG guys seen it that way,I still get a better deal from them,and I don’t even buy regularly there anymore,like when I had my own shop.
The sad part is,we demo’d the new dupont( garbage),and they were literally throwing freebies at us,even offered to supply paint for BOTH my current projects completely free of charge,but I declined as we truely do prefer sikkens product(hell dupont gave both us painters free sata digital RP’s just for giving them a shot).[/quote]Desperation is a stinky cologne:rofl[/quote]
haha,already come to realize I’m not gonna be using sikkens on my own cars,I just feel bad in a way when guys ask what I use for product,and why I don’t use what I use daily at work,get what I’m saying?[/quote]I think your looking at this wrong. Nobody owes you free paint. You are just the painter. The shop owner who writes the check to them each month for materials should get the free paint. Telling someone at a car show you used Sikkens paint does nothing for them. If you tell 100 people they may get 1 new customer from that. Usually the guy painting the car picks the paint. If it’s your own car and PPG will give you paint, hell use it.
In the past I have gotten free paint and also paid for it. I go into it expecting to pay and if they end up giving it to me I am very grateful. I use what materials I want based on quality and the results I want. Also remember, all paint sales are down so a lot of companies aren’t letting reps write off materials anymore. Somebody has to cover the expense.[/quote]
Read buddy,I said I didn’t expect free,a couple times,wow…….:blink:
And yes,I have been using PPG,but can no longer get 2002 clear,and am unfamiliar with the new compliant clears,not hearing great things either,that’d make me want to expewriment.[quote=”ryanbrown999″ post=18661]Dupont has to throw guns and free paint at you to want to use their non matching basecoat.[/quote]
Oh yeah,the “one and a half coat”wonder paint,that has revolutionized painting as we know it…..shit was transparent as candy half the time,and the clear was thin as water.:rofl
