Elliott Gervais
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[quote=”Ben” post=23083]Well, I wouldn’t go too cheap. Like I said most all guns can spray waterborne. With most Devilbiss guns the only difference is the cup, not the gun. The plastic cup will be fine for everything (water or solvent), the metal cup is only for solvent.
If looking at a used gun, get photos of inside the body, it should be clean. The gun should be complete and look clean and newish. An old gun that is well taken care of will still look relatively clean and new.
I don’t know where you are or what your environmental regulations are. But the idea is the products only have to be VOC compliant. Waterborne basecoats are only one way, low VOC solvent basecoats are another. There are low VOC solvent basecoats avaliable from many paint manufacturers. When will VOC limits be implemented in your area? I don’t know. I am in Canada and VOC limits changed not too long ago. Almost all shops up here are using waterborne, but there are a few using low VOC solvents.[/quote]
Thanks. So all Devilbiss guns are stainless steel inside? What about the others like Sata and Iwata? I’m not really locked on any brand just wondering what you guys would recommend as a good starting gun. What’s wrong with the StartingLine kit from DevilBiss? Just lower quality or what’s the difference exactly? StartingLine, FinishLine, GTi, Tekna info?
Also, what tips shuld I be looking at getting for a gun? I think 1.4 is for clear? What about base? I guess depending on whether it’s a metallic base or not…but in general which tip sizes should I be looking at getting?
I live in Quebec but I have no idea about the regulations. I know a lot of hot rod guys and they’re the ones helping me with the paint and I’m pretty positive they’re not using waterborne paints because they’re the old school type (you know what I mean).
[quote=”Ben” post=23081]You’ll probably get better results spraying both products with 1 quality gun than 2 mediocre guns. Check ebay, you can often find good used higher-end guns at a decent price. I wouldn’t waste my money on the kit, it won’t do what you want and you won’t get your money back if you try to sell them later.
As far as paint, the auto body supplier will have a mixing bank they use to mix the product. They may have more than 1 product line, but generally they will only be supplying from one manufacturer (like PPG). You need the tech sheet for the product to see how to use it (mixing, application and drying info as well as info on what products are compatible with it)[/quote]
Alright thanks. What should I be looking for when looking @ buying a used gun?
Also just reposting my previous question: do they even sell paints that are non-waterborne anymore? If so, when do you think they will be phased out altogether? Should I be looking at a waterborne-ready gun or not even bother? I guess I should check to see if the paint my supplier uses is waterborne or not, although I’m guessing that with all the old-school painters he must carry both.
Anyone else have any recommendations for guns I could look at buying on the lower price scale?
[quote=”Ben” post=23076][quote=”ElliottG” post=23074][quote=”Ben” post=23073]There are probably 2 more important factors to consider first. The first one is your air supply. Will you have enough CFM to properly supply a gun. Secondly, what product(s) are you spraying. Each product may require a different setup on a gun (different air caps and different size of fluid tip/nozzle).
As far as waterborne goes, most guns are ok. The only thing that makes a gun good for waterborne is the gun being made of materials that will not corrode, or have coatings on it to prevent corrosion.[/quote]
I’m pretty sure my compressor is big enough and up to the job. It’s a pretty big one.
As for product…I have no idea. I don’t even know what the guy gives me when I go to buy paint? When I buy paint for lets say a 2002 VW Passat, he mixes the paint up right there for me, right? If so, does it come in a PPG can or something? I mean, basically, I’m confused because I see people spraying PPG (and others) paint, but what happens if you need a color match? I know my question is really confusing but when you go to your local paint shop what do they give you?
I know my friend has a Iwata 400 all stainless steel ready for waterborne paints…but I have no idea if I’ll ever be using those? And I think that that gun is way out of my price range…[/quote]
It should say on the label of the can what it is, or else ask them. PPG has several base coats, you are probably getting the Deltron or Deltron 2000.
You can get decent results spraying both base and clear with the same gun with some products. However, the best thing to do is get one specific gun setup for each, but by that point you are probably spending $1000+ on the 2 guns.
For what you are doing at home, you would probably be good with something like the Devilbiss Tekna, or the older GTi.
Exactly how big is your compressor? You need a lot of CFM, most 60 gallon compressors are not quite up to snuff to do the job really well.[/quote]
Alright. But why would it even say PPG on it if the guy at my local paint store mixes it himself to the right specs? Because they’re using PPG ingredients in the paint or something?
Right. So do you see anything wrong with the two gun kit that I posted other than being really cheap? I’m guessing the quality is not really there either…but I’m not looking at spending even $500 on guns at this time either…I’m really looking for either:
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[li]A decent gun that I can use for BOTH base and clear[/li] OR
[li]Two semi-decent guns that I can use for base/clear seperately[/li]
[/ul]Any kits that you would recommend? Or you’re saying I should look at getting a Devilbiss Tekna, or the older GTi and just spray both base and clear in the same gun? I mean are there any guns cheaper than those? I’m not really looking at a super high quality gun especially for my first time painting…I can always upgrade later I guess.
As for my compressor size, I’m not entirely sure because it’s my dads compressor and I’m not in the shop ATM but it’s at least 80 gallons.
[quote=”ding” post=23078]When i go to the paint store they give me what i ask for. If you dont know what you are getting…ASK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
How can you use a product when you dont know what it is :wak[/quote]Well I haven’t really gotten to the step of buying paint yet so I don’t know what I will get!
Do they even sell paints that are non-waterborne anymore? If so, when do you think they will be phased out altogether? I just don’t want to buy a gun and then not be able to use it when everyone switches to waterborne paints.
[quote=”Ben” post=23073]There are probably 2 more important factors to consider first. The first one is your air supply. Will you have enough CFM to properly supply a gun. Secondly, what product(s) are you spraying. Each product may require a different setup on a gun (different air caps and different size of fluid tip/nozzle).
As far as waterborne goes, most guns are ok. The only thing that makes a gun good for waterborne is the gun being made of materials that will not corrode, or have coatings on it to prevent corrosion.[/quote]
I’m pretty sure my compressor is big enough and up to the job. It’s a pretty big one.
As for product…I have no idea. I don’t even know what the guy gives me when I go to buy paint? When I buy paint for lets say a 2002 VW Passat, he mixes the paint up right there for me, right? If so, does it come in a PPG can or something? I mean, basically, I’m confused because I see people spraying PPG (and others) paint, but what happens if you need a color match? I know my question is really confusing but when you go to your local paint shop what do they give you?
I know my friend has a Iwata 400 all stainless steel ready for waterborne paints…but I have no idea if I’ll ever be using those? And I think that that gun is way out of my price range…