Melissa
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Thanks for the feedback!
Hey everyone. I posted this almost a year ago so I’m sure it’s gotten lost now.
Any feedback on your experience with code compliance??
[quote=”Jayson M” post=25578]sadly devilbiss in barrie ontario went out of bussiness in the late 90’s[/quote]
Just a note that Devilbiss did not go out of business. It was bought by Team Blowtherm in 1998. In 1999, Team Blowtherm also acquired Binks. In 2003, Team Blowtherm merged with JBI to form Global Finishing Solutions. All GFS products (auto refinish, industrial, aerospace, etc.) are now made in our Osseo, Wisconsin facility.
Thanks for posting your booth pictures! It’s always interesting to see how long some booths last and how well they are taken care of.
Before looking at a specific booth manufacturer, I’d look at what features are most important to you, and then look for a booth that meets all of these requirements. I.E. airflow type, heat rise, waterborne capability, control panel functions, single skin vs. dual skin, code compliance, etc.
Then I’d look at local support. Most booth manufacturers sell through distribution so that the customer has that local support to not only help them find the right booth, but also to assist them with code compliance, facility planning, installation, service, maintenance, and parts and filter support. Finding a good distributor to help you through the process of ordering, installing and maintaining a booth is crucial.
While purchasing direct from the manufacturer can occasionally provide a slightly lower equipment cost, you’ll be on your own for installation, service and maintenance. Often, the costs associated with permitting and code compliance that you often incur with factory-direct purchases far exceed the cost of buying similar equipment through an established distributor who can ensure your equipment is 100% compliant for your area.
When looking at booth manufacturers, look for a company that will provide you with everything you need from the very beginning, to the day you start up the booth, and into the future.
You may find it helpful to follow our blog: http://www.gfsboothblog.com. We post weekly on there with helpful tips relating to paint booths and the finishing industry. Also, our paint booth training website, the Finishing Academy, http://finishingacademy.com/refinish_training_home.html, offers even more detailed information about booth design and construction, safety and regulations, contamination control and facility planning.
If you have any questions about GFS booths, we’d be happy to answer them.
Hi Karen,
If you are on a limited budget and prefer not to dig a pit, there are other options besides downdraft booths that you can look at. Side downdraft, semi-downdraft and crossdraft booths are still excellent options for refinishing vans. You can purchase a new booth or look at used ones for sale. One thing you want to be careful with, especially when looking at used booths, is making sure that the booth meets all codes and standards. If the booth is really old, the costs of getting the booth up to code may make if very pricey. These codes and regulations will depend on where you are located.
In terms of booth design, you’ll want to look at the airflow style (side downdraft, semi-downdraft, crossdraft), overall booth design (lighting, ceiling, filtering, construction, etc.), size (need room for van and for person spraying), price (how much are you willing to spend vs. how important is the quality of your finish?), waterborne capabilities, etc. If you want more information about booth design/features, feel free to check out our paint booth training website. We have a section on there that goes through the features of a paint booth and what to look for when you are looking for a booth.
http://finishingacademy.com/training/Refinish/Module1/mod1_sys_design.html
Any other questions, feel free to ask!
Melissa
Bobwires, I don’t mean to push our product on you by any means but you may want to talk with one our industrial sales reps.
Whether or not you are interested in our product, they should be able to help you get an idea of what may work best for your shop. I know that we do have sanding booths and can custom build many different types of enclosures.
If anything, they should be able to point you in the right direction!
If you’re interested, I can give you the number.
[quote=”Wydir” post=19536]we go through Grainger I get like a 20% discount through them
site says they are 137.00 and without discount cost would be $153 shipped
my cost with Discount shipped would be $126.45[/quote]
Thanks for that information, Wydir. Pricing can be a challenge when selling through distribution, as do most paint booth/filter companies. I will be sure to share this information with the management team. We really appreciate your feedback!
Thanks for the feedback everyone!
Wydir, do you remember where you got your quote for GFS Wave filters? Local distributor? Online site?
[quote=”bobwires” post=19383]
That is fantastic! Thanks Melissa[/quote]
Glad to hear that! If you have any questions about any of the information, feel free to ask me on here or click on the “ask us a question” button on the Finishing Academy question. If I don’t know the answer, I will find someone who does!
No problem. Hope that helped! If you’re still looking for filters, GFS sells excellent filters for most booth models, not just our own. Sorry for the shameless plug. 😉
http://globalfinishing.com/parts%20and%20fIlters/parts_products/pf_filters.html
Bobwires-
You might want to take a look at our paint booth training website, The Finishing Academy. The site has a ton of information about paint booths, from components and airflow to safety and maintenance. I know there is some pretty specific information on fan setup and CFM in the Spray Booth Basics section. Since you said you are looking to expand your shop, the Building the Perfect Shop section may be helpful as well. There are some neat tools there that you can download and use to help in designing your shop.
http://finishingacademy.com/refinish_training_home.html
– Melissa
Hi Jinx,
I’m happy to see that you acknowledge the importance of quality filters. In addition to quality, you will want to make sure that you are using the appropriate filters for your booth. The best way to make sure you have the right filters is to use the ones recommended by the manufacturer of your booth. From there you should be able to find a local distributor in your area that will sell you these filters, and provide any maintenance or booth cleaning, if you need it.
Hope that helps!
– Melissa
Thanks for the additional feedback! Great comments.
[quote=”Wydir” post=17330]:welc from southern Wisconsin :welc[/quote]
A fellow Wisconsinite. 🙂 Were you also “lucky” to be born into this pleasant climate or did you move here?
[quote=”Ben” post=17293][quote=”fochsml” post=17285][quote=”ryanbrown999″ post=17283]Some things that are needed from booth companies right now are affordable waterborne drying options. Hand held venturis are not a viable option for those in more humid climates and without the proper air to run them. 3-phase electric is mandatory for larger compressors and not all shops have access to it.
Most good drying options are upwards of 10K per booth. With the profit margins a bodyshop makes an extra 10K isn’t likely laying around. There really isnt a mid priced option out there that works well. Something in the 2-4K range installed would help the majority of shops out there.
For the people that can afford a system like the corner blowers or ceiling fans I feel Global’s offerings are the least attractive. They are bulkier than Jun-air’s and also dont have a door the cover the nozzles when not in use. The size could be overcome easily but the doors are pretty necessary imo. You dont want dirty air blowing through your booth.
I feel this will become a big market as the rest of the country has to start complying with lower voc laws in the coming years.[/quote]
Ryan, excellent feedback. I’m going to share this with our team. This is the kind of information that we want to hear. Although I’d love all positive feedback, negative feedback is great too because it will allow us to improve our products/services to the benefit of the end user. Thanks![/quote]
I have used Global booths as well as several others. Definately one of the better companies (IMHO). I agree with Ryan, a good drying system is necessary, especially one that is affordable and can be retrofitted into other booths[/quote]
Thanks Ben. I’m glad to hear that! And I agree, advanced drying systems are essential with the advent of waterborne.
I had a conversation this morning with our refinish sales manager. He’s been very actively involved in the development of these systems and the research that we’ve done over the years. Since you referenced our corner modules, Ryan, I just wanted to explain to you a little bit of history behind that system and the one that we have now.
When GFS first developed our system, AdvanceCure, we used corner modules. Since then, we have continually reworked this product. Our engineers and sales team have done extensive research and spent a lot of time figuring out how the airflow and the drying systems work and/or need to work. We still do offer corner modules, but these have been drastically improved. What we have found to be the best system though are our horizontal modules. These modules provide the fastest and cleanest drying environment. They are located high in the booth, in the spray zone. The air that goes through these modules is “triple filtered” because it goes through the pre-filter, ceiling filter and then the filter on the module. Because the air that comes out of the module is directly opposing the downdraft airflow, it creates perfect turbulance. Drying times for waterborne paint are[b] drastically [/b]improved with this new system, and have been show to dry at the same or even faster rate than solvent paint.
Hope I didn’t bore you too much. 🙂 I do see a need for a cheaper, mid-range option, but I can say with confidence that our current AdvanceCure system does an excellent job at drying paint.