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Hi.
I been spraying NoMix LV for 18 months.
We had one delam job. Luckily it was a small one, looked like a dry spray problem.
I totally agree with the seedy/ dry over spay issues. Reducing 150 % is pretty nice. We put on a wet bed of LV500 first and it helps especially if your painting all the base in one visit. If there are any issues and you have to do a more blending then I would have to mix in some LV500 to help it melt in.
Its a little unfriendly to paint from the seedy point of view really unfriendly from the colour match POV.
We have there tiny colour chips, but they are tiny. They are a starting point, better than without.
The signature clear selection is nice. We use all the of them, speed, production, and glamour. The glamour is my favorite if time permits it’s use. 50 %solids is sweet. Speed clear is handy in some applications, production dues back about with baking but constant with most production clears out there.
Valspar LV sounds interesting. Keep me posted.
I have just a cross draft, so I use the energy pro 250. I use Iwata guns, it works nice with W400LV 1.3 29psi wide open, kinda slow but suits my style. Ive tried 1.3 lph400lv for smaller parts at 26psi wide open, puts it on nice but really slow.
Ive had return customers (from lst october) and have noticed energy pro holds up really nice.
I’ve gone through a couple of gallons of HPC21 and have to admit it’s better than I thought. I primarily use it for jobs that I have to kick out the same day or spot ins.
I would say the gloss is excellent and stays that way. I find you have to lay it on heavy, which is a little scary because it is very very low viscosity. I normally spray Sikkens compliant clears so HPC21 is way on the other end, thin thin. Somehow HPC21 has good run resistance even though its so thin. Pound this clear on. If you spray far and slow, may not be good clear for you.
Only complaints about it is pretty sensitive clear to fish-eyes. But that’s a cleaning thing. It’s pretty pricey, but if your getting into Superior, then it’s not pricey for you.
I will keep using HPC21, when it’s cost is justified.
Oh, yeah. I would not use this as an everyday clear, two panels max and no top surfaces. Definately a specialty clear.
That’s my two cents.
In my experience, with Sikkens low VOC product and LPH400, you have to spray it higher than what is stated on the air cap. I spray at 21psi going into the gun; it slow slow but it will do the job. It’s okay for a couple of panels. The higher PSI will help with the peel. Pop the Colour/clear part on a heater or a hot bucket of water, it’ll help it flow better when you get to spraying too – it might even help with flash time too.
Make sure you’ve got the air-supply to handle the higher CFM compliant guns too. The Sata RP is know to be an air hog. Albiet an nice hog.
I’ve never sprayed Utech, but quite of bit of compliant and non-compliant Akzo clears.
[quote=”Jayson M” post=19350]If I were you I would look into Matrix Low VOC solvent system,they have variants as well,color match is supposed to be decent.You could also get an airmake up installed on the booth,that would make life easy.[/quote]
I will, do they have anyone in Canada? I went to there site and they are all in Quebec for some reason.
I like to keep things simple, but yeah, I’d love a new booth; atleast a semi-down with a air-makeup unit. That’s on the wish list for sure.
[quote=”Ben” post=19183][quote=”gnarly” post=19157][quote=”Ben” post=19071][quote=”MoCoke” post=19070]it seems like they are actually a step ahead now based on their air bake clear, spreadable primer, etc. i used the ultra base for a few jobs and it covered pretty well but maybe after 4-5 coats. :chair besides that the price is ridiculously high for it.[/quote]
I’ve used some Ultra 7000 and a little of the waterborne. SW has a few really good things…the clear is fast, most products have flex additive already in it etc…but overall, I agree with MoCoke, it is overpriced for what it is.
You are currently with Sikkens? WHat don’t you like about it? Up here (where basically everyone is using waterborne)Sikkens is considered one of the best systems.[/quote]
I like Sikkens, and I’m on the west coast of Canada so ditto with the compliant products. It’s good, but unfortunately we are stuck with a crossdraft booth still. It’s pretty tough being productive in the cool weather without an air makeup using waterbourne (especially for 3+ panels). I’ve been with Sikkens for 8 years so I don’t know where it stands relative to the others, except that Sikkens is one of the most expensive paint lines. Glad to hear that it’s considered one of the best waterbase out there (what aspects?)
There is talk of compliant solvent coming in soon with Sherwin (ATX), and I’m pretty curious about it. I’ve tried the compliant Omni, which doesn’t cut it (no chips). A jobber dropped off some Transtar / NoMix to try but I’ve never even heard of them.
Who knows with the industry the way it is, I wouldn’t be surprised if all the brands bring out a compliant solvent line sooner than later. Cash grab.
I loved ACIII with XP and rapid act. I’m using the Lesonal ProAir LV which is even better than Energy Pro250 for our booth.[/quote]
Where on the west coast are you?
There are several low VOC solvent base. Most are lower end products, so colour match likely isn’t the best. I believe Stone is using RM solvent with good success.
The Autowave is fast, easy to use and has good colour matches. The AWX I found to be slower, more transparent, required work to control solvents and colour matches weren’t great (although I am sure they are building their formula library as time goes on).
PPGs enviro base is a very fast base. Possibly the fastest drying base in my opinion. It is very similar to Autowave…[/quote]
I’m near Vancouver. Thanks for all your inputs about SW, I think I’ll keep our Autowave but I’ll trial SW low VOC solvent. I’ve tried OMNI, it’s pretty hit and miss. Pretty funny though it works pretty well on Toyota 1F7, go figure??? HAHAHA. Pretty tough colour in most brands i’m sure. I got the local PPG rep to take away our old Autobase+ for an OMNI system. Yes some of the matches are horrible.
Must have took a while to melt mesh into 42inches. Nice commando style, get in there and get ‘er done.
[quote=”Ben” post=19071][quote=”MoCoke” post=19070]it seems like they are actually a step ahead now based on their air bake clear, spreadable primer, etc. i used the ultra base for a few jobs and it covered pretty well but maybe after 4-5 coats. :chair besides that the price is ridiculously high for it.[/quote]
I’ve used some Ultra 7000 and a little of the waterborne. SW has a few really good things…the clear is fast, most products have flex additive already in it etc…but overall, I agree with MoCoke, it is overpriced for what it is.
You are currently with Sikkens? WHat don’t you like about it? Up here (where basically everyone is using waterborne)Sikkens is considered one of the best systems.[/quote]
I like Sikkens, and I’m on the west coast of Canada so ditto with the compliant products. It’s good, but unfortunately we are stuck with a crossdraft booth still. It’s pretty tough being productive in the cool weather without an air makeup using waterbourne (especially for 3+ panels). I’ve been with Sikkens for 8 years so I don’t know where it stands relative to the others, except that Sikkens is one of the most expensive paint lines. Glad to hear that it’s considered one of the best waterbase out there (what aspects?)
There is talk of compliant solvent coming in soon with Sherwin (ATX), and I’m pretty curious about it. I’ve tried the compliant Omni, which doesn’t cut it (no chips). A jobber dropped off some Transtar / NoMix to try but I’ve never even heard of them.
Who knows with the industry the way it is, I wouldn’t be surprised if all the brands bring out a compliant solvent line sooner than later. Cash grab.
I loved ACIII with XP and rapid act. I’m using the Lesonal ProAir LV which is even better than Energy Pro250 for our booth.