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Did you buy one from them Ding? And would it be “No. 2 EZ™ Dip Viscosity Cup with Conversion Chart” that I want?
I think measuring viscosity is a great idea especially for someone who works in many different environments in a part of the world with extreme hold and cold.[quote=”haomaru87″ post=24862]Thank you Wydir for your reply.
1) What kind of air compressor should I be looking at? I have air compressor for the tires at home and its pretty big, would that work?
2) What is the air filer system? Is this the booth thing? or is the thing you attach to the air compressor?
3) For paint guns, I’m not sure which to buy. I’m interested in 3M Accuspray but not sure if it can do basecoat and topcoat because it’s only advertised for primer. SATA sounds good too. Again, I have little to no experience, so I wouldn’t know.
4) I have sand paper packs of 220, 500, 1000, 1200. These should be good enough?
5) Primer, base coat, top coat (utherane or acrylic laquer) I can buy no problem. Not sure where to get good reducer though.
6) As for space, I only have the garage, no booth. =( Any tips?
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If you are trying to save money than keep on looking for a cheap body shop to do it for you, if you have a new hood then it’d cost around 200 dollars.If your heart is set on doing it yourself you should go on Kijiji and get a (minimum 26 gallon) air compressor and a hvlp spray gun. Then go to the place that you wanted to get paint at and they will tell you what to do.
Who here measures viscosity before they paint a car they want to be glass flat without buffing? I’m trying to find a #2 Zahn cup but they’re looking expensive for some reason.
On another note. This thread is a lot like the Arch of the Covenant. You see the title and how many replies it has and you think of all the great information that could be inside it. Once you open the Arch you get your brain melted like in Indiana Jones but if you are strong, and you persevere, you will find the post that makes it all worth while!
Sorry I don’t actually remember a comment about cotton gloves. Could you please tell me what those are used for?
Yeah I did write it down actually lol. I’ll remember to delete my reply to that post too.
** I feel bad for the people who spend all night reading this thread in the future, sorry guys. 🙁 **Okay so I just learned what a Zahn cup is and now I’m wondering what kind of system you use yourself? Is there a brand that is best for automotive clear coat?
And is there a kind of clear coat that is better for this gun? Or do they all have the ability lay glass flat?
I appreciate your help by the way.
Ryan,
Sorry, I understood everything except for the solid content bit. I would love for you to explain that to me.And would people actually get upset at you for giving out really direct information like that? :ban?
(This thread got confusing a long time ago) On the subject of trade secrets, Ed Leedskalnin knows a lot of trade secrets. If you would like to learn what those are, I would type his name into YouTube. That’s what I did yesterday, good times.
[quote=”smooth” post=24798]If you are producing paint jobs that are better than what shops can do why are you here asking questions?. One nice job may be a fluke, tryin doing it every day after day after…. I paint every day, 6 days a week ,every year for the past years and i still make mistakes. Its what makes us human. Instead of comming here bashing ppl that know what they are talking about, try being humble and listen.[/quote]
I’m asking questions because being better than 50% of shops is not good enough for me, I’ll be done improving once I’m better than 100% of the shops. If you don’t think like that then this thread is not the thread for you. I’m sure many people are in the same boat as me and are not happy with where they currently are and only those people will have a use for this thread.
And let’s not get anything twisted. I did not insult anybody, in fact I was insulted repeatably and my rebuttal to those people was nothing but humble. The reason why I did this was not because I care more for your feelings than you do mine but because I really really want to learn what you all have to teach.
Thank you.
[quote=”Jayson M” post=24767]I suppose you can say I’ve had a short life but I’ve been lucky to have learned that having an edge is crucial for success to take place. So I will continue to do what ever it takes to make me a better painter when I don’t have the luxury of practicing.
Someone wants me to paint their bumper so I shall be changing somethings including the brand of clear and booth that it’s shot in and I’ll take a picture to show you guys where I’m at.
Your statemnent makes absolutely no sense,how are you going to get better by not practicing?The only way to get an edge is to practice to get better,right now you don’t have one :p Seriously most of the people here are guys with decades of experience working in a shop and painting everyday(myself included) and they have given you good advice…you need to listen.It takes time to get “used to “a clear,spraygun,booth etc changing something everytime you spray is only going to make it more difficult for you.For the record painting a bumper or small parts is not going to turn you into a painter.The only way to learn proper technique is to gradually move up to bigger jobs and eventually completes,that is where the skill comes from,not going out and buying a $500 gun and spending an afternoon reading how to on the net :deadhorse[/quote]
Well the reality is that I do have an edge and that’s why the complete I did came out looking better than the majority of shop painted cars. And yes obviously I will get better with practice but the thing about practice is that I’ll just be doing the exact same thing over and over. If I can have the chance to pick the brain of some of the painters on the planet than I will have the ability to learn techniques that I would not of learned even if I painted 10,000 cars.
So having said that, the best thing for me is not having people tell me to practice because I jump at the opportunity every chance I get, but what I need is for someone to tell me something that they’ve learned to achieve superior paint jobs.
Thank you all for your replies but I don’t have time for people who can only tell me to practice. And neither do the fine folks who are reading this post so that they can improve them selves as well.
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Jesus. This is why I made multiple posts all over the internet and talked with suppliers to come to what I thought would be the best gun for shooting flat and they told me 1.3 hybrid… I just don’t understand why not everyone is on the same page. If there’s one correct way to spray and one best gun to use, how come the community has not figured this out? I don’t understand why there should ever be any kind of confusion.
NO 2 PEOPLE SAY THE SAME THING… WTF!!!!!!![/quote]This is the problem with kids entering this trade today. they think they can go to tech school and come out and get a job at a shop right along side of a seasoned tech and get the same pay. they feel they are too good to start at the bottom like everyone else did. They think that even though they dont have any experience, they can ask around and buy a $500 spray gun and it will make them look like a pro. Thats the problem today. They are too damn lazy to practice practice practice, learn learn learn, and put the kind of time in that it actually takes to become good at this trade.
Instead of crying about what the gun didnt do for you, Take the damn time and learn what you can do with the gun.[/quote]I suppose you can say I’ve had a short life but I’ve been lucky to have learned that having an edge is crucial for success to take place. So I will continue to do what ever it takes to make me a better painter when I don’t have the luxury of practicing.
Someone wants me to paint their bumper so I shall be changing somethings including the brand of clear and booth that it’s shot in and I’ll take a picture to show you guys where I’m at.
[quote=”buzz” post=24750]It’s hard to beat the advice given from the earlier comments, glass like finishes out of the gun are tough, but you can get close with experience, practice and patience. ( and luck 😛 ) Just remember flatter isn’t always better. On overalls, knock yourself out, on collision work it’s a no-no unless the OE finish is flat.
When i bought my Supernova, it was before the hybrid tip came out. Never much cared for the gun compared to my W400 so it sat in the bottom of my box. I eventually bought the hybrid tip/needle/cap…still didn’t like it. Left the hybrid tip on and went back to the original cap…voila, nice spraying gun. If anything it might spray clear too flat for most collision work. I use it mainly on cars with flatter OE finishes. if you want flatter with your hybrid, maybe try a non hybrid air cap and see if you like the results. The cap does make a big difference in the way that gun sprays.[/quote]Jesus. This is why I made multiple posts all over the internet and talked with suppliers to come to what I thought would be the best gun for shooting flat and they told me 1.3 hybrid… I just don’t understand why not everyone is on the same page. If there’s one correct way to spray and one best gun to use, how come the community has not figured this out? I don’t understand why there should ever be any kind of confusion.
NO 2 PEOPLE SAY THE SAME THING… WTF!!!!!!!So whats no flash off mean? Does it mean that I have to paint with no breaks in between my coats? I thought that you were supposed to let it dry for a little bit so that you could put on a big heavy last coat with no runs.
And how would you do the coats if you had my gun? One really light, then 2 medium coats?Alright good stuff.
I’m looking for some more tips guys, please. I know glass clear is possible because I’ve seen it on a factory Aston Martin in Europe. I’m sure in the future I will be able to do it and I think I’m going to get there by learning how to do every little thing the best possible way I can do it. So if you think you have any information that can help me get to that point, you will help me out tremendously.Thank you.