stan
Forum Replies Created
- Posts
[b]Jayson M wrote:[/b]
[quote]Re-read my post,I already answered your question,you are making it too complicated.[/quote]Did you???
Sorry, but I have read all your posts few times, and I got the point of spraying the 2nd coat past the fender ( this is from your early post when I was just painting the fender ). Nothing says about coverage on base blend or not.
Honestly, within my mind, I am pretty sure that I have to blend the closest midcoat further than the base blend. But, since I got screwed up by my mismatch Dupont basecoat ( once again, you are completely right on this one ), I honestly don’t want to assume anything, but taking experts’ answer.
You are probably right, I might have made this too complicated to myself.
[b]Jayson M wrote:[/b]
[quote]Why is this so hard for you to understand??Get your first color(solid white)to match the car.That is the most important part if it does not match STOP!!!Look at the spray out of the pearl coats you did,what matches the best 2,4,6coats?Put however many coats on to match the rest of the car.If it is easier for you paint the whole side and live with a slight difference in color.You must put on however many coats of pearl on the foundation color to match your car.If this is to hard to figure out take it to a shop and be done with it,a good shop would only charge you $500 to spray it if you prepped it.[/quote]Jayson …. I always appreciate your help.
It is not that I don’t understand the concept, but I am trying to be careful with this since I don’t have 20 years experience like you do, and I want to get it done right. That is why I ask questions in details. I am sure that you can’t learn my profession within a month as well, so I respect yours, and ask question just to be sure.
By the way, the shop here won’t charge just $500 to paint it. Last one I ran into was $2200 to paint my 4 little new body side-skirt bodykit of my 97 Honda Accord. Another one was my friend’s track with no body damage but just repaint with 2 stages …… $8000. “We done it right” ….. that is what they said for charge this much fortune. Maaco can probably do it for $500. If I still have you or my Russian painter friend live in town here, who charges reasonable but moved out of states already, I will gladly pay to have it done right for $500. I will even buy you bear & dinner!! :cheers
Also, I have done the test panel with up to 6 coats …. exactly as you said, even with one section of basecoat only. And that is how I discovered the basecoat isn’t match as you said, and non of the pearl layers matchs. So I took my test panel with sample of base to my local jobber this morning, and got into the option that they are going to take a panel of my good one, and adjust the paint with confirmation of matching.
I have painted few cars with no trouble, and even a 02 TL pearl white with no issue ( at least I can’t see any defect). But, I never try reverse blending, and I want to learn and get it done better. If you can be kind enough to just answer my question, since this is the only thing I want to make sure then I am done, I will be very appropriated. Honestly, you don’t have to keep on telling me to check base and do the test panel, because I have already done it twice, and I will do it again when my jobber gets the paint matched.
[b]ding wrote:[/b]
[quote]your last coat.. which ever one that should be (3,4,5,6….10…..) should just go a little beyond the spot where you got full coverage with your ground coat[/quote]What about the blending area of base/ground coat? Should the last midcoat completely covering it? Or, it doesn’t really matter if it lays within the base blend area?
[b]ding wrote:[/b]
[quote]dont over analize it. kick your 4th coat between 2 and 3. really if you have the ground coat right there wont be much diff between that 3 and 4th coat…[/quote]Thanks ding. I am gonna spend some time to do the test panel right this time, and make sure the ground coat is matching.
🙂[b]ding wrote:[/b]
[quote]your last coat.. which ever one that should be (3,4,5,6….10…..) should just go a little beyond the spot where you got full coverage with your ground coat[/quote]This is the reverse blend, not the staggered, right?
If I understand it correctly about staggered, isn’t the 2nd midcoat covers the ground just like the last coat you mentioned? If so, I lay my 3rd coat in between 1st & 2nd midcoats. And, if I have 4 & and 5th coat to put on, where are they stopping at? In between 1st & 3rd, moving toward groun on each coat puts on? Or, the other direction?
Honestly, I might not need more than 3 coats, but I am just really curious about the staggered method.
Thanks for the help!
[b]lild wrote:[/b]
[quote][b]stanclub wrote:[/b]
[quote][b]ding wrote:[/b]
[quote][b]stanclub wrote:[/b]
[quote]So to reverse blend the midcoat, just blend each coat further in?Is stagger means painting 45degrees in both directions?[/quote]
Heres a visual for you. say you painted the fender and blended the doora reverse blend would be this.
[IMG]http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll186/paintbyding/IMG_0629.jpg[/IMG]A staggered reverse blend or what ever you want to call it would be this
[IMG]http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll186/paintbyding/IMG_0630.jpg[/IMG]the angle of the gun doesnt change regardless of which method you choose[/quote]
Ding ,
This is SOOOO much :woohoo: easier for me to understand ( sorry, I am really new to this ). THANKS A BUNCH!
Just out of curiosity. If for any reason, more than 3 coats of midcoat is needed, how do I manage to stagger blend? Or, where does the additional coat(s) needs to be stopped at???[/quote]
this is why you do a let down card first. once you detrimine how many coats you need, you just do the same.[/quote]Got ya. I will do my test panel again. I did it once but I think I have moved my gun too quick and did not overlay each pass enough ……. I was nervous since this is very new to me.
What I was trying to find out is how far I need to paint 4th ( or more ) coats if it is needed. I can see to paint each coat inward toward base. But if using the stagger, do I lay my 4th coat in between 1st and 3rd? ( so each coat moving toward 1st coat closer ? )
Thanks
[b]ding wrote:[/b]
[quote][b]stanclub wrote:[/b]
[quote]So to reverse blend the midcoat, just blend each coat further in?Is stagger means painting 45degrees in both directions?[/quote]
Heres a visual for you. say you painted the fender and blended the doora reverse blend would be this.
[IMG]http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll186/paintbyding/IMG_0629.jpg[/IMG]A staggered reverse blend or what ever you want to call it would be this
[IMG]http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll186/paintbyding/IMG_0630.jpg[/IMG]the angle of the gun doesnt change regardless of which method you choose[/quote]
Ding ,
This is SOOOO much :woohoo: easier for me to understand ( sorry, I am really new to this ). THANKS A BUNCH!
Just out of curiosity. If for any reason, more than 3 coats of midcoat is needed, how do I manage to stagger blend? Or, where does the additional coat(s) needs to be stopped at???
So to reverse blend the midcoat, just blend each coat further in?
Is stagger means painting 45degrees in both directions?
[b]lild wrote:[/b]
[quote]turn the tip of the gun nozzle towards the tire, now move the gun towards the door handle. this is reverse blending.
also mix up the binders (what you use when you mix color) at 1:1 and then reduce 1:1. now you have clear base. spray all the panels to be paint. this helps with blending on mets. and pearls. also with the mid coat you can’t paint fender to door,,door to fender. like you normally do. you have to make a pass and instead of reverse blending do as usuall. go back and do it again, u do this until the whole panel is done. and with each coat blend a little further than last.
also on toy. pearls, it takes like 4 coats of mid to get the pearl effect right. and the base color has to be right on. no matter how many coats of pearl you put on it won’t change the color much.
i also belive that the prime is too white. try another alt. like a dirter, or darker, maybe yellower.[/quote]thanks for the reply.
The primer is actually gray color thu. I will check with my base color for matching. I had used same base on same car, and the result turned out too yellow, because my air pressure was too low ( 10psi at gun …… long story :pinch: ). So, I have upgraded my gun and compressor.
[b]lild wrote:[/b]
[quote]turn the tip of the gun nozzle towards the tire, now move the gun towards the door handle. this is reverse blending.
also mix up the binders (what you use when you mix color) at 1:1 and then reduce 1:1. now you have clear base. spray all the panels to be paint. this helps with blending on mets. and pearls. also with the mid coat you can’t paint fender to door,,door to fender. like you normally do. you have to make a pass and instead of reverse blending do as usuall. go back and do it again, u do this until the whole panel is done. and with each coat blend a little further than last.
also on toy. pearls, it takes like 4 coats of mid to get the pearl effect right. and the base color has to be right on. no matter how many coats of pearl you put on it won’t change the color much.
i also belive that the prime is too white. try another alt. like a dirter, or darker, maybe yellower.[/quote]thanks for the reply.
The primer is actually gray color thu. I will check with my base color for matching. I had used same base on same car, and the result turned out too yellow, because my air pressure was too low ( 10psi at gun …… long story :pinch: ). So, I have upgraded my gun and compressor.
[b]Jayson M wrote:[/b]
[quote]Hate to sound like a jerk stanclub but I told you how to blend a tri stage with a couple of indepth posts on another forum.Did you do a let down panel?Did you check your foundation color?I also told you tri-satges can be tricky for someone with little experience and you could end up re-doing it.You need to make sure you color is right before you spray the car :wak Good luck.[/quote]You are not a jerk at all, and I really appreciate all your help.
Yes, I did do few of layout panels, and use them to compare color. However, my biggest mistake that I have made in this was that I compared them indoor instead of outdoor. Not trying to make an excuse, but my car was out of battery so I couldn’t move out door ……. well, I wasn’t putting serious attention on this as well, and thinking that color wouldn’t mismatch that bad …. it does.
I was gonna ask you about the reverse blending, which I still can’t find more info from the website you gave me. I pretty much got your idea of why and how to reverse blend, but do I have to be concerned how far I blend my basecoat, in order to determine my maximum blend area??
I am going to re-do the car again. And, since I have better idea what to watch out for, I should be able to do it better without getting nervous in steps.